So, Mog station here we are

[JamieRose]

That's not how "advertising works" I've done some advertisment, you want to show your customers that you are a trustworth brand so they come back. This is just bad, why would you put down your own product? Do you see McDonalds telling their customers that the simple cheeseburger that costs £1 is bad? No, they promote it because they know that any profit is good profit. More profit is better profit but it's still all profit. This is just demeaning their other staff's work. Imagine being on the in game design team and seeing this add? This is just disrespectful.

And no, someone had to approve this ad to go out, they didn't just give someone free reign, that's not how it works. All advertisments have to be approved before they get sent out.

You must not be old enough to remember the Arch Deluxe. XD

[Haruka_R]

I for one would like to see more outfits in that shop. A lot of them are bleh to me but I've bought like a few of the far eastern outfits. Would pay for a Yuffie Advent Children outfit.

[rainichan]

If Square Enix wanted to give us Titania's outfit they could well do that precisely, give us Titania's actual outfit and not give us something that looks just like the real thing.


Titania's outfit, including wings is much more majestic than this half-sewed knockoff!.

So... the pixies did in fact try to make this for us under Feo Ul's watch because they believe we really should be the Fae King. They gotta make do with kid's dreams here, so that makes sense.

You must not be old enough to remember the Arch Deluxe. XD

Don't tease me with the Arch Deluxe. That was my fave burger when I was younger

[Iscah]

Sorry for not letting a sleeping dog lie, but I've had in mind that I needed to reply to this since before it turned into a fierce argument on advertising techniques....

What male outfits of the same quality are getting added in game and not the mogstation? Because there are plenty of female glamour options in game as well.

I'm not interested in keeping score on who gets more outfits exactly, and I don't know how you want to define quality, but I know there are a lot that I like and that look good on male characters. I don't care if they look good on females too.

Stuff that I've been using for more elegant outfits:

- Boulevardier shirt, ideally combined with long sleeves (I'm still super pleased with how it combines with the AST relic sleeves)
- Facet Coat of Healing, spectacular for a "dark healer" vibe - I'm working on getting the Horde weapons to go with it
- (Replica) Sky Pirate's Coat of Fending, which I mixed with SCH Lv60 gear
- Alliance Jacket of Aiming (and presumably also the Fending gear which is the same base design, but I don't have that)
- Neo-Ishgardian gear
- Serge Gambisons
- High House coat
- Voeburtite (Dohn Mheg) dungeon gear
- Holy Rainbow / Altered woolen shirt
- Thief and Plague Doctor sets in their various incarnations, though I'm still trying to get hold of those
- Infantry shirt and variations
- RDM relic gear
- Valentione waistcoat (definitely a win for male characters if you insist on keeping score)

And for modern style:

- Lv51 crafter/gatherer jackets
- Sky Rat gear, particularly the gloves and boots
- Ishgard crafter singlet
- this healer outfit with the Summer Indigo shirt and High Allagan pants
- Pagos gaskins
- survival halfslops
- Proto Ultima Mesh is a cool starting place for a sci-fi glamour
- Late Allagan gear (I like the mage coats)
- Wind Silk coatee - it actually looks like it could be a male counterpart to Y'shtola's Heavensward outfit.
- YoRHa Type-51 gear
- Makai gear
- FFXV event (Noctis) gear

And this is just stuff I've used or noted down for specific plans at the moment. It's not at all an exhaustive list. There's a lot more out there in the game.

So the feminine outfits, often genderlocked and completely unflattering for bigger and taller female races, get added to Mog Station and the masculine outfits, available to both genders and often job locked, get added in-game.

Who's losing out here, again?

Fixed that for you.

I'm... honestly not sure which side of the argument you're taking a shot at here. Possibly both.

But I will point out that a lot of things are completely unflattering on female Roegadyn, cash shop or not. (I have an alt. I am trying my best to find nice things for her.) There's something about their default stance that just makes things not present as nicely as they should, and skirts sit at an odd angle.

As for masculine outfits being "available to both genders and often job locked" - I honestly don't see an issue with either of those things. As long as they look good on my male characters, that's all that matters to me. I have more than enough things that I want to use that look good on each of my characters.

As for things being job-locked - putting aside any larger-scale argument about whether gear should be job-locked in the first place - I see that as a plus to some degree. I build unique glamours for each job anyway, so incorporating gear that can only be used by that job is a natural part of the process. Why would you restrict yourself to Lv1 glamour gear when there are so many amazing things at higher levels?

Just go watch exclusive items at the mogstation -and at the mogstation ONLY- that have been created for both gender, I mean non-gender locked and with the same appearance for both gender and non-Scion related, they are all dresses :
Angelic Wings
Demonic Wings
Mheg Deaca Wings

The angel/demon sets aren't dresses, or even robes. They're coats.

And there lies an additional issue (which we have covered before) with people's opinion of outfit gender balance. There are a lot of things in the game which are masculine but not by modern standards. (Not that those coats are actually one of them in my opinion - take away the wings and it's a fairly plain elegant coat.)

Totally.

Masculine leaning indeed.

You seem to have conveniently left out the "Warrior of Darkness" hairstyle, the other PVP hairstyle and the spiky one from the Ishgard Restoration. And put in multiple pictures of the really girly styles (which still cost at least a million gil each on the marketboard vs the WoD style being handed to you for free).

The group of six pictures has two masculine styles, two feminine and one unisex (x2).

And the PVP style is also very unisex as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't look super-manly-masculine but it also doesn't look feminine on a male character. (And as far as long hairstyles go, that sleek one is fairly unisex too. The male version doesn't have the barette.)

I think there are a lot of styles that people might think is too feminine for their male character - but it's unisex, and on a female character it looks short and tomboyish. We covered in another discussion not that long ago, that even how you define hair length can vary between genders - something that would be regarded as mid-length on a male character is probably still short for a female character.

I seem to remember one of the Fae folk in Il Mheg telling me they were going to make me a dress. Maybe this is it?

I'm pretty sure that was the sylphs way back in ARR.

[Angelov-Mercy]

I'm just hear to read all the excuses people are going to make for having a cash shop in a buy to play mmo with a monthly sub that even requires you to buy extra storage because they refuse offer the basic functionality other games provide like shared storage between characters all while providing us with consistently less content.

And let's not forget how it is then followed by the personal offense they are taking from having actual legitimate criticism about the game and/or business practices of their favorite game/company. Instead of engaging in actual discourse about the subject.

Yep these threads are always interesting.

That was so smug, even though you made a good point it sounded like an anime henchman posturing for the boss, between a standard rivalry of an inner circle of generals. (I can even picture you adjusting a pair of glasses.) lol


I'm fine with cash shops, vanity's are part of how they make money, those who can afford such things helps bring more budget to the games content. My only complaint with the cash shop is they don't add to it items, I'd like to see in the game. There should be more adventurous glamour's and mounts, steampunk gliders, horses and/or chocobo's with a bedroll and saddle bags barding, caped uniforms, even something sporty like I dressed Sophia in. But, I dream.

[Seraphor]

too bad we don't have a fairy primal who could drop it as a costume like they did with 2B in the Factory...

Which could also have been a Mogstation exclusive if they wanted...

We have thousands upon thousands of gear and glamour items available in game, and about 10 sets exclusive to the Mogstation.

I don't call that 'milking'.

[DamianTenbe]

Box price per each expansion and monthly sub with extra fees per retainer is a lot of money. In fact, they make so much money out of the game that they even considered to make ff14 free to play and people still defend cashop. Im assuming that the playerbase wants to keep the subscription system for the game to keep the game flowing in content and encourage the new players to join the community and to keep the toxic players away to some extend that would come in, in free to play model.
I wouldnt mind mogstation if the funds were designated into creating more ff14 content. We are seeing the same pattern with no extra or different content. We actually are getting less content than before.. That is why I dont understand why people are so eager to spend more money for less.
There are some things that are bugging me about mogstation. First is the exclusivity of multi person mounts. I think the only 4 person mount is available for purchase only while the nier car is not achievable anymore therefore encouraging people to buy the one for real money. I just would like to see the ratio of mounts that you can obtain in game to those u can obtain in mogstation for 2 to 4 people mounts.
Actually how often does the game gets uptaded with new stuff compared to mogstation?
Thats solely my opinion on the mogstation and It doesn't change the fact I like the game . I just hope we will get to see more stuff in the game ^^.

[Iscah]

There are some things that are bugging me about mogstation. First is the exclusivity of multi person mounts. I think the only 4 person mount is available for purchase only while the nier car is not achievable anymore therefore encouraging people to buy the one for real money. I just would like to see the ratio of mounts that you can obtain in game to those u can obtain in mogstation for 2 to 4 people mounts.
Actually how often does the game gets uptaded with new stuff compared to mogstation?

We get at least one new series of battle gear per patch, and some amount of crafted/reward glamour.

5.2 gave us three battle sets at once - Crystarium, Edencall and Neo-Ishgardian, plus the recoloured Shire gear in the dungeon. There were also glamours, emotes and a hairstyle from the Firmament and the crafted Dalmascan set.

5.3 gave us new dungeon gear, NieR raid gear, Firmament rewards and crafted glamours again. We also got the Moonfire Faire outfit and dance emote.

I don't watch Mog Station closely, but this thread about the Mheg Deaca was started in April (so a bit after 5.2 launched?) and I don't think they put out new glamours between that and the recent not-Oktoberfest outfits. Maybe Y'shtola's dress and some mounts/emotes, plus the regular "last year's seasonal" items? The dirndl has been madly popular but so were the Neo-Ishgardian sets when they launched.

As for four-seater mounts within the game, there's the Skyslipper mount from E4S. So a high-level thing for now, but come 6.0 probably everybody will have one.

[Seraphor]

Box price per each expansion and monthly sub with extra fees per retainer is a lot of money. In fact, they make so much money out of the game that they even considered to make ff14 free to play and people still defend cashop. Im assuming that the playerbase wants to keep the subscription system for the game to keep the game flowing in content and encourage the new players to join the community and to keep the toxic players away to some extend that would come in, in free to play model.
I wouldnt mind mogstation if the funds were designated into creating more ff14 content. We are seeing the same pattern with no extra or different content. We actually are getting less content than before.. That is why I dont understand why people are so eager to spend more money for less.
There are some things that are bugging me about mogstation. First is the exclusivity of multi person mounts. I think the only 4 person mount is available for purchase only while the nier car is not achievable anymore therefore encouraging people to buy the one for real money. I just would like to see the ratio of mounts that you can obtain in game to those u can obtain in mogstation for 2 to 4 people mounts.
Actually how often does the game gets uptaded with new stuff compared to mogstation?
Thats solely my opinion on the mogstation and It doesn't change the fact I like the game . I just hope we will get to see more stuff in the game ^^.

Actually, Mogstation funds are funnelled directly back into FFXIV, its the game sales and subscription fees that, after servers have been accounted for, are pooled into the divisions profits and divied up amongst their other projects, only some of which coming back to FFXIV as deemed suitable.

Current 4 person mounts include:
Regalia, from the FFXV event (not Nier)
Skyslipper from E4S.
And the latest Chocobo carriage.

That's one time exclusive, that may be coming back again at some point, one that's permanently available in game, but requires you to complete savage content, and one from the mogstation.

The 2 person mounts are weighted more towards mogstation though, with only two available purely in game, the wedding chocobo (requires getting married in game) and the amber draught chocobo (requires gold feathers from player referals). Both are fairly accessible, but with quite specific requirements that require other players to coordinate and invest with you. I believe there's... 3 in the mogstation? Moogle, Whale, and I'm sure there's another one...

[Endeleon]

Why do people even care so much about multi seater mounts? The only place they've ever been useful was Eureka, which all the cash shop haters love to claim was "not real content, that content doesn't count as content"