Online store prices are outrageously high!

[Hycinthus]

Hm maybe it’s for funding FF16?

[Gameovers]

Blah-Blah SE runs a business
Blah-Blah Dont like it dont buy it.
Blah-Blah Its a luxury you dont need
Blah-Blah-Blah Have you seen other cash shop practices they are way worse

You mock but none of those are wrong.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You mock but none of those are wrong.

I realize now that my sarcasm is unclear and badly made.
All of these are talking points I agree with, and have been said in previous threads about the Cash SHop

[Gameovers]

I realize now that my sarcasm is unclear and badly made.
All of these are talking points I agree with, and have been said in previous threads about the Cash SHop

Ah, my bad then. I missundetstood T.T

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Ah, my bad then. I missundetstood T.T

Bah your fine, Im the one who made a bad post

[LittleImp]

Its also a way to screw the playerbase over. WoW tokens are 20.00 each. Which means a person wanting in game gold is paying real money AND Blizzard is getting and extra 5.00 per sale over a regular sub price.

The value of the token in gold fluctuates depending on the market at that time.

It isn't "free". Another player is making up the difference for that "free" item. Blizzard became the gold seller themselves. It wasn't to help the player, it was to enrich themselves.

...just like every game.

I acknowledged most of that in my post. It's nice that you're putting the word "Free" in quotes despite the fact that it hasn't appeared a single time in any of my posts, nor have I ever implied anything was free. At no point does WoW try to mislead you or compel you into buying gold. Players who do so choose to do so fully aware of the conversion rate, and all three parties involved benefit in some way.

Saying that it 'screws the playerbase over' is extremely silly, particularly in a thread comparing it to some of SEs practices. Screwing the player base would be something like... bloating your shallow crafting system with hundreds of unnecessary reagents, only to turn around and offer expanded bank storage for an additional monthly fee in an already subscription-based game. : )

But hey, no contortion is too hard when we're trying to say "WoW Bad FF Good". Honk honk.

Doesn't that entire system crash if lets say noone buys the token? People still have to spend money for it to work perfectly, which if you go by this playerbase is still a no go.

Totally possible, but hasn't happened up to this point (unless SL bombs like BFA xD). There's an enormous market for RMT in MMOs; Many people tend to severely underestimate just how many people are willing to buy Gil/gold. FFXIV wouldn't be filled with thousands of bots if people weren't buying.

[linayar]

The WoW system found a way to accommodate both those willing and unwilling to spend real money, with the added bonus of reducing third-party RMT activity in the process. Greed or no, it's a clever system that almost certainly makes them more money in the long-run, all the while placating players like the OP. If someone wants to spend money, they can. Otherwise, there's an alternative route to the same content for people willing to do a little extra grinding, and blizzard still gets their take. They can even play the game completely on someone else's dime. It's a much more accommodating system, and is a more reasonable format for a subscription based MMO imo.

Is that why there is more gil sink in WoW than in FFXIV, so that people would be incentivized to buy tokens? If so, I hope even more that SE never copy this token idea.

[DBriggs304]

I acknowledged most of that in my post. It's nice that you're putting the word "Free" in quotes despite the fact that it hasn't appeared a single time in any of my posts, nor have I ever implied anything was free. At no point does WoW try to mislead you or compel you into buying gold. Players who do so choose to do so fully aware of the conversion rate, and all three parties involved benefit in some way.

Saying that it 'screws the playerbase over' is extremely silly, particularly in a thread comparing it to some of SEs practices. Screwing the player base would be something like... bloating your shallow crafting system with hundreds of unnecessary reagents, only to turn around and offer expanded bank storage for an additional monthly fee in an already subscription-based game. : )

But hey, no contortion is too hard when we're trying to say "WoW Bad FF Good". Honk honk.







Totally possible, but hasn't happened up to this point (unless SL bombs like BFA xD). There's an enormous market for RMT in MMOs; Many people tend to severely underestimate just how many people are willing to buy Gil/gold. FFXIV wouldn't be filled with thousands of bots if people weren't buying.

Its nice that you are attempting to backpeddle mainly because you see that I am well aware of how it works in wow...because I spent 10 plus years there and utilized the system you were praising...and comparing to MS that essentially does a similar thing.

How is the playerbase screwed over? The alternating value of the gold...and like EVERY mmo...money makes the world work. I can sell a coin for 90,000 gold one day and a day later, its only woth 60,000 to 70,000...yet, Blizzard is still getting 20 for devalued in game currency.

Hence...le screw.

It was never about wow bad, ff good. You attempted to compare models of both cash shops (while purposely ommiting what wow does with their token and how the system works) and fell flat.

Simple really.

[Gameovers]

Totally possible, but hasn't happened up to this point (unless SL bombs like BFA xD). There's an enormous market for RMT in MMOs; Many people tend to severely underestimate just how many people are willing to buy Gil/gold. FFXIV wouldn't be filled with thousands of bots if people weren't buying.

xD And yeah you're right about that. Greed is why RMT will never go away in any form so blargh. Tho now I want to ask you.... do you think SL will bomb like BFA? I watched a video and the streamer in question was pissed about the number of changes that are coming to SL. How do you feel about it?

[Kes13a]

Doesn't that entire system crash if lets say noone buys the token? People still have to spend money for it to work perfectly, which if you go by this playerbase is still a no go.

it is my personal theory that not all the tokens sell to players.

your token is GUARANTEED to sell within 2-12 hours. How can that ever be guaranteed given staggered sub times? so given how Blizz hates anyone to make money off their product it only makes sense that they got into this as a means to cut out a majority of the gold sellers since now you can essentially buy gold legally from them from their store. The only thing that bothers me about it is they mask it under "oh this can help other players who have a lot of in game gold" instead of just being honest and saying "this is a way to combat gold sellers... you're welcome"

as for the player base, I think it helps in SOME ways. you can "buy" gold/gil without the risk of getting banned, a large portion of the base would obviously go that route instead of the riskier potential ban route. it does mean that these companies have to make money other ways which are even riskier for the player such as levelling services.

Anyway, a bit off topic I guess, as DBriggs304 stated, this was all to cut out others making cash off their game.