Online store prices are outrageously high!

[DBriggs304]

This is all really economics and the willingness to pay.

Plus these are all options for your characters. If you want premium for vanity reasons, you pay for it. You missed the sale? Oh well.

I don't want to be crude but these are really all vanity items. You don't need them. You just want them.

The willingness to pay concept doesn't care if you think it's expensive as long as there's a good amount of people out there are willing to pay for those prices advertised.

Truth.
And I'm thrilled with all the purchases I have made. I love some of the vanity weapons and especially the mage ward outfit. I loved that for FuSoya

[AngelCheese77]

I swear, everytime they release something new, someone makes a post like this. What is this, the 100th one?

[Kes13a]

Game makes you pay for:

1. Monthly sub
2. Pay for the base game (up until the most recent free trial so most people playing now bought the base game)
3. Expansions (basic full game price every 2 years)
4. You need retainers if you want decent item storage and gil making.

Yet people still think it's fine for Square Enix to charge 100s of dollars for statues, and 40 bucks for the most recent mount.
Not to mention all the other merchandise and crap they flog that a certain portion of this audience will buy each and everytime no matter what it is.

Only way they will change is if no-one buys the mogstation stuff but that isn't going to stop anytime soon.

1. oh dear, at best 50 cents a DAY to play something as much as you want. what a crime.
2. established precedent in mmos, check out World of Warcraft sometime if you dont believe me.
3. again, see 2 for precedent. prices of labour rise, so too development costs, yet the price is reasonable for what you receive. they bank on volume
4. you get 2 for FREE. so no, the game doesnt make you pay for more, thats optional. inventory management on the otherhand, is usually up to the player.

these are optional items. which part of OPTIONAL are you having trouble with? here, if it helps any:

optional
[ op-shuh-nl ]

adjective
left to one's choice; not required or mandatory: Formal dress is optional.
leaving something to choice.

[Pretzelcoatl]

1. oh dear, at best 50 cents a DAY to play something as much as you want. what a crime.
2. established precedent in mmos, check out World of Warcraft sometime if you dont believe me.
3. again, see 2 for precedent. prices of labour rise, so too development costs, yet the price is reasonable for what you receive. they bank on volume
4. you get 2 for FREE. so no, the game doesnt make you pay for more, thats optional. inventory management on the otherhand, is usually up to the player.

these are optional items. which part of OPTIONAL are you having trouble with? here, if it helps any:

optional
[ op-shuh-nl ]

adjective
left to one's choice; not required or mandatory: Formal dress is optional.
leaving something to choice.

1. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
2. i dont play those games i hate their cash shop too, also i dont even think wow has any armor that i care about in their store, so that would make ff14 much worse
3. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
4. lots of game let you unlock content by doing quests and activities. Some extremely bad games instead have a website where you pay money. Which one is worse in your opinion?

[Enla]

Jesus that escalated quickly.

[Melichoir]

1. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
2. i dont play those games i hate their cash shop too, also i dont even think wow has any armor that i care about in their store, so that would make ff14 much worse
3. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
4. lots of game let you unlock content by doing quests and activities. Some extremely bad games instead have a website where you pay money. Which one is worse in your opinion?

Lets do lists too!

1) There is. How do you think those things come about? Out of thin air? It does cost them money and time to develop that, and they develop it for the explicit purpose to increase their revenue stream so they can do other things with that money. It is a literal investment. Take some sub fees to develop a glamour item that generates more money so they can apply it to more things (like the datacenters). I mean this is business 101. Take some of your profits and invest it into things to turn that money into a larger sum of money.
2) Cash shops are a thing. Whether you appreciate it or not is up to you, but theyre not going anywhere. This is like theme park merchandising. You purchase the ticket, ride the rides, but that novelty t shirt isnt included in the ticket cost. You buy that on the side, if you want it. And wearing that novelty t shirt doesnt heighten how fun a ride is (unless youre weird). I mean you would have a point if you paid to enter the theme park and then had to pay to ride each ride or buy something so you could ride those rides. But that isnt the case.
3) repeating your point doesnt make it any better
4) This is the great joke of all this complaining. If you go into mog station, broadly most of what is available on it are items, mounts, and glamours that were already or are already available in game. If you had a sub, all those event items you would have already cause they literally gave it to you by doing a quest or something. A large chunk of whats on the mog station are these previous event items that you coulda had for a sub fee. Dyes are all available in game so its just a convenience, Jump Potions and the like are purely a decision for if you want to play the damn MSQ or not and a handful of mounts that are semi interesting vs the oodles of mounts you can literally get in game by beating savage and expert fights. I mean the omega mount is cooler than almost everything on the mog station, and most glamours that are available in game tend to be better than stuff you can buy on mog station.



I honestly think that many of you who complain about mogstation dont actually sit down and think about what is offered to us. Im not saying that I want everythign to be on mogstation and that cash shops are plenty fine. But Im also not gonna humor the idea that SE is just gating all the good stuff behind their payment wall when the reality is the lions share of cool items are things you achieve in game, and outside the debate on jump potions, you everything on mog station is purely about cosmetics and nothing else.

[DBriggs304]

1. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
2. i dont play those games i hate their cash shop too, also i dont even think wow has any armor that i care about in their store, so that would make ff14 much worse
3. I already paid and there is no marginal cost to the company to give me the outfit
4. lots of game let you unlock content by doing quests and activities. Some extremely bad games instead have a website where you pay money. Which one is worse in your opinion?

You paid to access the game.
Which you got.

You paid for access to the attainable items in
Which you got.

You didn't pay for extras added to the game and not included in the base subscription model.

You also dont have or need those things to play what you have paid for to access.

Premium items cost money. Period.

[Payadopa]

1. oh dear, at best 50 cents a DAY to play something as much as you want. what a crime.
2. established precedent in mmos, check out World of Warcraft sometime if you dont believe me.
3. again, see 2 for precedent. prices of labour rise, so too development costs, yet the price is reasonable for what you receive. they bank on volume
4. you get 2 for FREE. so no, the game doesnt make you pay for more, thats optional. inventory management on the otherhand, is usually up to the player.

these are optional items. which part of OPTIONAL are you having trouble with? here, if it helps any:

optional
[ op-shuh-nl ]

adjective
left to one's choice; not required or mandatory: Formal dress is optional.
leaving something to choice.

The retainer situation alone isn't something optional or vanity. It's literally influencing game design. Every serious crafter can attest to that. It is not optional. lol

On a related note, it's true that demand and availability dictate the price (duh) but I'm
a firm believer in educating people in hopes
it changes how they perceive something. You can't look at the state of the industry now and how it used to be and tell me that shit hasn't hit the fan so hard these last years that the fan stopped working a long time ago.

And then I see people not just going along with that incessant greed but actively defending it. Are you all shareholders? lol And the tired ol' excuse of 'it's a business!'. Because earning earning unfathomable amounts of money isn't enough, they must earn all the money in the universe (and monthly).

On an unrelated note, Starbucks' coffee is disgusting. There, I said it. lol

Let's be real here. The prices could double overnight and we'd still have plenty of people here defending it, because that defines a fanboy. Fair enough. To each their own. But don't expect other people to not rattle that cage of yours every time that happens.

[Melichoir]

Let's be real here. The prices could double overnight and we'd still have plenty of people here defending it, because that defines a fanboy. Fair enough. To each their own. But don't expect other people to not rattle that cage of yours every time that happens.

Its rich that because people are not on board with your opinion/position and dont see the cash shop as big a deal as you do, that they are fanboys.

If prices doubled over night Id expect there to be a decent reason for it, otherwise I would stop shopping. There are price points on the mog station where I think it is to high for what it is. I wont throw down 30+ for a mount, as an example. I wait for sales more often than not when purchasing things, and some featuers I do purely out of luxury and not necessity. I do some crafting, and you know what my retainers are full of? Glamours and misc Quest crap. If you plan to go super hardcore with the crafting, having more retainers does make it easier for you, but it is not mandatory. It all depends on what you aim to do.

Beyond that, most of mog station is either from past events or items you acquire in game. Some of it is unique and even then I dont just buy it cause it's there. Most of my favorite glamours, emotes, and mounts were all things I got in game with nothing more than a sub and sometime. And that is, by and large, true of most people and done so by choice.



Beyond that, yeah Starbucks coffee is gross. They tend to burn it or its suger with a side of coffee. It's only good on the morning when you need a swift kick in the ass and dont have time to stop by a place that does coffee right.

[SenorPatty]

The retainer situation alone isn't something optional or vanity. It's literally influencing game design. Every serious crafter can attest to that. It is not optional. lol

On a related note, it's true that demand and availability dictate the price (duh) but I'm
a firm believer in educating people in hopes
it changes how they perceive something. You can't look at the state of the industry now and how it used to be and tell me that shit hasn't hit the fan so hard these last years that the fan stopped working a long time ago.

And then I see people not just going along with that incessant greed but actively defending it. Are you all shareholders? lol And the tired ol' excuse of 'it's a business!'. Because earning earning unfathomable amounts of money isn't enough, they must earn all the money in the universe (and monthly).

On an unrelated note, Starbucks' coffee is disgusting. There, I said it. lol

Let's be real here. The prices could double overnight and we'd still have plenty of people here defending it, because that defines a fanboy. Fair enough. To each their own. But don't expect other people to not rattle that cage of yours every time that happens.

The game industry is in a bad state right now and I doubt anyone with their heads on straight would deny that. But just because the night is dark doesn't mean you get to ignore the lighthouse that's still blinking.

You have people in this thread equating FF14's cash shop to other cash shops. You have people who have their head in the sand and refuse to believe that the concept of creating a buisiness alongside a main one with 99% no impact on the latter can exist. This is what SE has done. I have over a decade's gameplay in all manners of disgusting f2ps and one way or another, their game is created in mind that the player will have no other recourse but to dip their hands into the cash shop to progress decently into the game. As of now, FF14 still isn't like this.

Also, being indifferent to optional items is not the same as defending it, neither is explaining to people what optional means and/or what vanity means. If SE doubles or triples their price tomorrow, my heart isn't gonna skip a beat nor am I gonna lose my head or even, as OP said right here the bolded part

1. Other games having worse cash shops doesn't not excuse this cash shop being greedy.
2. There has been exactly one sale on mounts/costumes/minions/barding since I've started playing which was about 16 months ago. Having sales this far apart is not helpful.
3. Telling me to not buy an item is not a helpful response. I want the item, but they're overcharging for it. I do a lot of fashion related stuff and not having access to this stuff is crippling.
4. If this topic comes up a lot, then that says more about the shop than the anyone talking about it.

Yeah, crippling, if you can believe that. So, if SE were to do that, I'd just go on my way because it has no impact in the game. If you want to start a movement against retainers, I'm right here with ya because at least those things, even at the price they're at, do actually have an impact on the game of various size.

I honestly wish people were just more honest with themselves and just admit that they covet what they can't have. It's not the most gracious of our human natures and even the best of us isn't so infallible that it doesn't happen to them time to time. But let's stop witch hunting a business that has decided to make something on the side at the playerbase's request, something btw I never heard before since most mmos these days come strapped with a cash shop that nobody asked for.

EDIT: Also, I don't understand the hype about Starbucks coffee either. It still doesn't taste as good as it projects itself to be.