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  1. #12631
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aluja89 View Post
    I know that, I'm talking about the people that wanted Viera. They only know them as female so where did this expectation come from?
    Well, I've known that male viera existed. When I created my original viera thread, which was a few years ago, I asked for both male and females.
    It's not as if I suddenly wanted male viera ever since female viera were added. I'm sure some people here who have kept an eye on the original thread can confirm that it was created for the addition of both male and female viera.
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  2. #12632
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    Zanarkand-Ronso's Avatar
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    -He wanted hrothgar, but couldn't implement both genders.
    -You were the one accusing the thread of recycling, but your participation in it plays a big role in that. It's like you're driving a bus and accusing people of climate change.
    --Ok. now I NEED to see a source on this. This is a claim that Ive seen NO evidence of, and here you are claiming it. Give me a source please.
    He was very clear several times why both genders didnt happen, so you are literally spinning what he said.
    Please, don't give me your beliefs on what happens in companies, and give me a source of Factual Evidence. Or Im calling you a liar.
    --Am I wrong? Are you saying this thread doesn't in fact recycle? Just because I add to conversation doesn't mean the thread doesn't repeat itself.
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  3. #12633
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    --Ok. now I NEED to see a source on this. This is a claim that Ive seen NO evidence of, and here you are claiming it. Give me a source please.
    He was very clear several times why both genders didnt happen, so you are literally spinning what he said.
    Not agreeing or disagreeing. Just leaving this here.

    "However, as mentioned during our Fan Festivals and via the [Letter from the Producer] streams, adding a new race is an incredibly massive undertaking, which affects all subsequent patches. After a huge amount of deliberation, we decided to implement the highly requested Viera, and a beast-like race the dev team wanted to implement, which was the Hrothgar.

    I am aware of the desire to include a different gender of each of these races, but I’m afraid this feedback is not something we can easily incorporate. We are doing our best, but… that’s about all I can say now. I truly hope that everyone can understand."

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  4. #12634
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    Male Viera being added would make me so happy, I am still not losing hope. I have a Fantasia in my storage for when they add it.
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  5. #12635
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    --Ok. now I NEED to see a source on this. This is a claim that Ive seen NO evidence of, and here you are claiming it. Give me a source please.
    He was very clear several times why both genders didnt happen, so you are literally spinning what he said.
    Please, don't give me your beliefs on what happens in companies, and give me a source of Factual Evidence. Or Im calling you a liar.
    --Am I wrong? Are you saying this thread doesn't in fact recycle? Just because I add to conversation doesn't mean the thread doesn't repeat itself.
    Source: Senn
    Just because I add to conversation doesn't mean the thread doesn't repeat itself.
    Really now?
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  6. #12636
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    Not agreeing or disagreeing. Just leaving this here.

    "However, as mentioned during our Fan Festivals and via the [Letter from the Producer] streams, adding a new race is an incredibly massive undertaking, which affects all subsequent patches. After a huge amount of deliberation, we decided to implement the highly requested Viera, and a beast-like race the dev team wanted to implement, which was the Hrothgar.

    I am aware of the desire to include a different gender of each of these races, but I’m afraid this feedback is not something we can easily incorporate. We are doing our best, but… that’s about all I can say now. I truly hope that everyone can understand."

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    This...isn't really a source of Proof to Amnmaat's claim that they HAD to put in Viera though.
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  7. #12637
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    He wanted hrothgar, but couldn't implement both genders.
    You were the one accusing the thread of recycling, but your participation in it plays a big role in that. It's like you're driving a bus and accusing people of climate change.


    You're hilarious!


    They created the controversy by adding 2 races with missing genders


    No they didn't, they waited 2-3 months before release. Well before would be before their reveal during the time we were asking for Viera.


    Who said the game will stop? You're pulling stuff out of nowhere.
    The genders aren't missing. We knew we weren't getting them and they did exactly what they said they would.

    The controversy is on the players expectation not the actions of the devs.

    It won't stop or be affected...the way you wish it would
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  8. #12638
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    This...isn't really a source of Proof to Amnmaat's claim that they HAD to put in Viera though.
    "We wanted to give players options and freedom to choose more races. We envisioned adding a new race, but people really wanted the Viera to play in-game. So if we add another new race that isn’t Viera, people might wonder why we didn’t do Viera, so we had to add them for sure."

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  9. #12639
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    "We wanted to give players options and freedom to choose more races. We envisioned adding a new race, but people really wanted the Viera to play in-game. So if we add another new race that isn’t Viera, people might wonder why we didn’t do Viera, so we had to add them for sure."

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    Thats still not proof they "Had" to. Its a decision they made to make the players happy.
    I get the wording said 'had' but saying they literally "had" to put Viera in means that they were forced to do it. Which they were not.
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  10. #12640
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Thats still not proof they "Had" to. Its a decision they made to make the players happy.
    I get the wording said 'had' but saying they literally "had" to put Viera in means that they were forced to do it. Which they were not.
    Of course no one is "forcing" them. Not like they are being held at gun point. I don't think Amnmaat meant it in the literal sense, either? Though it is him we're talking about, so...
    Like Yoshi P said, due to player feedback, they "had" to add them. Or else people would wonder why they didn't add viera.
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