Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Amnmaat]

They aren't at fault at all. We knew who they were, we got them. Its not a problem on their end...hence why the decision has remained. This lies with players creating their own narrative and going by that.

The evidence is in this thread. Its the same people over and over...similar to other mmo discussions. If it wasn't for the random non sequitur thought or picture, this thread would have been buried long ago. There is nothing new that has been added other than the same gripes from the same people who feel SE isn't listening just because their demand hasn't been met.

Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. Either way, its not a game breaker nor remotely important.

You know that you're as much part of this "same group of people" that you see as a problem right? That's the nature of forums, and is working as intended. You're just jealous/apathetic that it gets as much traction as it does; in the end you're just feeding what you see as a problem.

On the other point, the devs are at fault. When people were requesting Viera they didn't say "please give us female Viera." You can try to spin it however you want but the missing gender issue is one they created 100% on their own.

On your last point, you're not who determines what's important or not; it's important to a lot of people; to the point the producer himself had to address it.

[Senn]

The Viera race was always known the be female only, where did the expectation come from?

Male viera do exist. It's just that only the females have appeared. In FFXII, the males live separate from the females. They make contact with each other when the need arises.
Regardless of all of that, it has been confirmed male viera do exist in FFXIV.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

--He didn't do whatever he wanted, he had to add female Viera.
--You weren't talking about lore. Most of your contribution is based on flaming the fires of "recycling" old talking points.

--What do you mean he "Had" to?
--I talked about lore among other things. Feel free to tell me what old talking points I recycled, when Im pretty sure all I did was add to the conversations that were already started.

[DBriggs304]

You know that you're as much part of this "same group of people" that you see as a problem right? That's the nature of forums, and is working as intended. You're just jealous/apathetic that it gets as much traction as it does; in the end you're just feeding what you see as a problem.

On the other point, the devs are at fault. When people were requesting Viera they didn't say "please give us female Viera." You can try to spin it however you want but the missing gender issue is one they created 100% on their own.

On your last point, you're not who determines what's important or not; it's important to a lot of people; to the point the producer himself had to address it.

It doesn't get traction. At. All. If you want to blame the devs for your created controversy, no one can stop that. There's no need to spin at all.

They told us everything well before we got it. Then we got it.

The game will continue whether we get it or we dont.

[Melichoir]

The Viera race was always known the be female only, where did the expectation come from? And what archetype would it even fill? If you want to play a tall male play Elezen.

I wish people would stop asking for useless additions.

We've gone over this point a few times but the TLDR is Viera is not a female only race, but that female are more visiable culturally. Males live separate.

This makes sense in certain FF titles as part of their world building, but in the context of FFXIV lore, it doesnt. You cant just copy/paste lore from anotehr FF title into this one and think itll be seemless. As a point - If your species is on hte verge of extinction and it is already demonstrated that not everyone in your species abides by cultural norms, there is very very little reason for Male Viera to be hiding out in the woods on Norvrandt. Unless were gonna argue that every single last one of them wont leave the woods to find a solution to their situation. Even given the situation, you progress pretty far into Rak Tikka Greatwoods before you officially encounter people of the viera tribe. Up til then you had no contact with these 'defenders'. In fact it's the females who end up engaging you. So much for them being forest protectors like the lore implied.

Also, there is a discrepancy between how the game handles viera versus otehr races. The cultures of all races differ quite a bit between Norvrandt and Hydaelin. You know, lalafells vs dwarvish culture, the Elves vs Elezen, etc etc. There are a small few similarities but they are pretty big differences between the two....except for Viera. they seem to be on both worlds adhering to the exact same cultural norms. Both of them dont allow males to leave the great woods and remain separate from females. Why is Viera some how exempt from cultural differences? It's almost like there are meta reasons for it rather than actual functional lore that fits within ffxiv.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I just wanted to share a quote from Yoshi P with you:

When asked about whether viera and hrothgar would be the last new races to be introduced to the game, and if there were any plans to add more customization options to the established races, Yoshi P responded like this:

"if it is a customization option that significantly changes the shape of the races body, I think we would be better off to tackle the challenge of just introducing a new playable race all together instead."

It would, by and large, probably be easier to just add a new race because they have a work flow for that (albeit one that takes forever). But character customization along with new races or updating existing ones is specifically hamstringed by the character creation engine. It's a wonky engine and outdated engine that cant even add slider options because it literally is built around having a set number of customization values (it's why female lalafells have breast sliders: they needed to fill that customization value wiht something otherwise they were gonna have issues).

While I dont doubt what his thoughts were at this point in time when he stated that, I do think it has become more and more apparent that the limitations of the character engine is causing more trouble than help. Tackle the character engine, and you can provide more customization to characters as well as streamline your process with tinkering with races or adding off sexes, along with extending the lifespan of hte game. Considering that it was reported they actually have been expanding their dev team, at the same time cutting back on putting out content a little bit (this is pre-pandemic, mind you) and more funding, it feels like they are working on something heavy duty.

[Senn]

P.S. I wish they added Viera male but I'm still grateful we have Hrothgar.

This is a good sentiment to have. I would like male viera to be added as well one day, but some people wanted a beast race to be introduced into the game. Hrothgar brought something new to the table and it was good that they were added. Though the head being tied to the hair is a big problem for me so... It makes me question if adding hrothgar when they did was a good decision or not.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The Viera race was always known the be female only, where did the expectation come from? And what archetype would it even fill? If you want to play a tall male play Elezen.

Just an FYI mate, they were never 'Female Only' its just consistently in the Ivalice setting used, you never 'Saw' a Male Viera. Because according to their lore they are very different from the females, more reclusive, not sociable and stuff like that.

[Amnmaat]

--What do you mean he "Had" to?
--I talked about lore among other things. Feel free to tell me what old talking points I recycled, when Im pretty sure all I did was add to the conversations that were already started.

He wanted hrothgar, but couldn't implement both genders.
You were the one accusing the thread of recycling, but your participation in it plays a big role in that. It's like you're driving a bus and accusing people of climate change.

It doesn't get traction. At. All. If you want to blame the devs for your created controversy, no one can stop that. There's no need to spin at all.

They told us everything well before we got it. Then we got it.

The game will continue whether we get it or we dont.

You're hilarious!

It doesn't get traction. At. All. If you want to blame the devs for your created controversy, no one can stop that. There's no need to spin at all.

They created the controversy by adding 2 races with missing genders

They told us everything well before we got it. Then we got it.

No they didn't, they waited 2-3 months before release. Well before would be before their reveal during the time we were asking for Viera.

The game will continue whether we get it or we dont.

Who said the game will stop? You're pulling stuff out of nowhere.

[Senn]

Considering that it was reported they actually have been expanding their dev team, at the same time cutting back on putting out content a little bit (this is pre-pandemic, mind you) and more funding, it feels like they are working on something heavy duty.

So you think the cutting back on content and getting additional funding are signs that character customization might get expanded? Well, I'm not sure if that is the case, but if it is, that'd be pretty nice.

[Aluja89]

Just an FYI mate, they were never 'Female Only' its just consistently in the Ivalice setting used, you never 'Saw' a Male Viera. Because according to their lore they are very different from the females, more reclusive, not sociable and stuff like that.

I know that, I'm talking about the people that wanted Viera. They only know them as female so where did this expectation come from?