Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[AxelBranford]

I've said it before many times, if he really wanted hrothgar more than anything he should've stuck with that decision. Nothing wrong with full hrothgar, but I'm not sure that would've passed company approval. The marketing department alone would've stopped him from it, as would've some of the other stakeholders like the CEOs and company president.
So he basically went against all the good decisions because he felt we needed another cat race. It's almost funny and completely out of character for him.


You know that you're on the top 3 people that add the most fuel to this recycling right? Your incessant opposition to everything is ls the purest form of fuel.
This is you essentially

Lady Zanarkand is passionate about Hrothgar, as you can see her adamant and passion answers on female hrothgar topic.
Her reply is genuine, but like all our answers, just words on the wind.
They can be most playable, they may not. But as Hroth, they have their players.

[DBriggs304]

You know what's stupid? That they put themselves in this situation haha. They wouldn't be facing this dilemma if they had just gone with full Viera. But now, they had to make this weird choice that we "needed" an animal race.
So the burden's on them to deliver what the people want, a sizable amount of people. I've never seen anything on the forum get nearly as much support as this subject has.

They didn't put themselves in any situation. The players created a situation on their own to give the impression that its an issue. Its not. They were straight forward from the start of what was happening and what we were getting. Some players are the ones who have tried to make it bigger than it ever was.

The "support" is the same people posting over and over. Its not as massive as folks want to think it is.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've said it before many times, if he really wanted hrothgar more than anything he should've stuck with that decision. Nothing wrong with full hrothgar, but I'm not sure that would've passed company approval. The marketing department alone would've stopped him from it, as would've some of the other stakeholders like the CEOs and company president.
So he basically went against all the good decisions because he felt we needed another cat race. It's almost funny and completely out of character for him.


You know that you're on the top 3 people that add the most fuel to this recycling right? Your incessant opposition to everything is ls the purest form of fuel.
This is you essentially

Weird, you've said to me a few times that YoshiP and team Cant just do whatever they want...and here you are saying that YoshiP, just did whatever he wanted...
If companies work the way you think they do, then of course this got Company Approval, otherwise it literally wouldn't have happened. It couldn't right? Either one race would have happened, or no race would have happened if this were the case. He set up and gave a presentation about it, if he needed some approval you dont think he got, wouldn't he be fired? Idk, I think thats a little silly to me

Incessant Opposition? You're aware Im in support of Male Viera right? My only true thing against it is I just want them to be written well. Im not against the inclusion, I just dont want them thrown in willy nilly. What, is it bad to actually care about the topic of their inclusion, and that I care how they will fit into the world and how their inclusion does pretty much effect their overall lore? Considering their history in past games? Guess Im the bad guy here, even though Ive defended this thread.

And the only recycling Ive taken part in is the "Lore" discussion. Or is just posting here considered recycling?

[Amnmaat]

Weird, you've said to me a few times that YoshiP and team Cant just do whatever they want...and here you are saying that YoshiP, just did whatever he wanted...
If companies work the way you think they do, then of course this got Company Approval, otherwise it literally wouldn't have happened. It couldn't right? Either one race would have happened, or no race would have happened if this were the case. He set up and gave a presentation about it, if he needed some approval you dont think he got, wouldn't he be fired? Idk, I think thats a little silly to me

He didn't do whatever he wanted, he had to add female Viera.

Incessant Opposition? You're aware Im in support of Male Viera right? My only true thing against it is I just want them to be written well. Im not against the inclusion, I just dont want them thrown in willy nilly. What, is it bad to actually care about the topic of their inclusion, and that I care how they will fit into the world and how their inclusion does pretty much effect their overall lore? Considering their history in past games? Guess Im the bad guy here, even though Ive defended this thread.

And the only recycling Ive taken part in is the "Lore" discussion. Or is just posting here considered recycling?

You weren't talking about lore. Most of your contribution is based on flaming the fires of "recycling" old talking points.

[justinhuang]

Regardless of your stances, and preference of races, it is clear that most people do not like gender lock races. I hope the consequences of adding gender locked races speak volumes to decision makers. I do not blame the team as a whole. However, I do wish whoever play roles in making decision on races learn from this backlash.

I'm sure they won't be able to add two things at one time anyway. However, I am still ok if they update us on progress, if they decide to add opposite gender, and releasing one at a time.

P.S. I wish they added Viera male but I'm still grateful we have Hrothgar.

[Melichoir]

1.) You're even lucky you got Viera in the first place. They didn't have to add them at all.

The devs dont have to add anything to the game, technically. This isnt really much of an argument. It's pretty much saying "Be grateful they decided to add [insert content here] to the game" where this idea can be explained with virtually everything that is in the game currently. And a lot of what is added to the game is done out of pragmatism - theyre a business who have an invested interest in keeping me purchasing a sub. If they think adding a new race will do that and grow the player base, then that is what they will do. It isnt so much a favor as a calculated move.

2.) "I however *snaps fingers*have almost 2000 unique users to point to" - Ok, sure. I want a list of every user who actually wants it. Not those who just posted their thoughts. Also, "2000" users is a very, very small number in comparison to actual population of the game.

This forum (along with Reddit) makes up only a fraction of a fraction of the player pop. There are players (as I know a few myself) who do not post on these forums and would like to see Male viera and Female Hrothgar added. I would hazard a guess that if polled, most players probably would say (at the least) that they would like to see female Hrothgar and Male Viera added to the game at some point. People like customization and character creation. Which the devs actually know pretty well because that has been something that constantly gets brought up. Speaking of which....

3.) Again, you're lucky you even got viera. They already know they've got to add the other gender for both. It's on the very bottom of the list. With the whole covid-19 thing, etc, etc., things are pushed back a little as a whole. Also, wait until we find out whats going on at the next fanfest before throwing more of a fit.

I think this isnt quite hte exact way to look at things. It's not a check list on a wall, so to speak, but rather there are a few things that relate to one another and are likely being developed concurrently. As a point, what I said above is that more character customization is something that has been frequently requested. The devs have stated that due to how the old engine for character customization works, that it's limiting how things are done. It's part of hte reason why we have so few customization options overall, but also why some dont make sense (Why cant we get fitness sliders for all races? Or why do lalafell females have breast sliders when it does nothing). It is cause the engine is old and outdated and that is becoming more and more apparent. It is also the primary reason why adding new races is a pain in the ass. The ability to add more customization and new races/sexes stems from the same issue: The character customization engine is outdated and needs to be rebuilt.

So what would the pragmatic thing devs should do? It would be rebuild the character creation engine. By doing that, they can address two separate issues a lot more effectively. It isnt that "Oh, we'll worry about adding new races/sexes last" but rather "Oh, there are a few issues here that can be resolved if we tackle this thing over here."

Furthermore, outside of classes, character creation related stuff is usually a very hot selling point for FFXIV (let alone MMOs in general; Almost everyone loves it when we get more races to play as). While I am sure they will be adding probably one more healer + a dps class come next xpac, in terms of character creation side it would be a huge selling point to not only revamp the character creation engine so we can customize our characters even more but to also add the off sexes. This would be a huge huge selling point in terms of FFXIV and would generate a lot of hype. It would be an excellent move development wise for the franchise and probably pay for itself pretty quickly as a result as well as extend the lifespan of FFXIV as a whole.

So no, I would make a safe bet that it isnt 'bottom of the list' but rather is something they are actively interested in doing but have to work on other aspects first to make it happen.

[DBriggs304]

Incorrect. When we were asking for Viera we were not asking them to add the females only. They're at fault for the decision they made.


You have no evidence to make this statement; I however have almost 2000 unique users to point to.


You're just vomiting their excuses.
A responsible company would expand their development team to relieve this intense pressure their 3D artists are facing.

They aren't at fault at all. We knew who they were, we got them. Its not a problem on their end...hence why the decision has remained. This lies with players creating their own narrative and going by that.

The evidence is in this thread. Its the same people over and over...similar to other mmo discussions. If it wasn't for the random non sequitur thought or picture, this thread would have been buried long ago. There is nothing new that has been added other than the same gripes from the same people who feel SE isn't listening just because their demand hasn't been met.

Maybe it will. Maybe it won't. Either way, its not a game breaker nor remotely important.

[Aluja89]

The Viera race was always known the be female only, where did the expectation come from? And what archetype would it even fill? If you want to play a tall male play Elezen.

I wish people would stop asking for useless additions.

[Melichoir]

They aren't at fault at all. We knew who they were, we got them. Its not a problem on their end...hence why the decision has remained. This lies with players creating their own narrative and going by that.

Player hype machine was definitely a part of this, but the devs did actually let speculation run rampant. When we have a soft precedent for there being no gender locked races, if you introduce female Viera (Which have been in other FF titles), it isnt irrational for people to make a connection with what we have and how it would be a significant talking point for FFXIV specifically to be the first place male Viera appear in game as a playable race. Pair this with some of the wierd coding leaks, that there was already pre-existing dev materials for male viera, and a "We'll youll just have to wait and see!" non answer from devs, and it really isnt a far fetched idea for even a casual player to think male Viera is on the way.


Oddly, I feel they couldve diffused the situation by being more blunt or changing the reveals. Either be like, "Lore explains male viera are rare so you may not see them this expansion" or change how the reveal operated by revealing Hrothgar first then female Viera or revealing both at once. It's not completely on the devs, but it's also not 100% on the player base either. I think the failure lies more with the devs simply because they couldve better handled teh situation, or even just stuck with Hrothgar overall and not even done Viera.

[Senn]

The devs have stated that due to how the old engine for character customization works, that it's limiting how things are done. It's part of hte reason why we have so few customization options overall, but also why some dont make sense (Why cant we get fitness sliders for all races? Or why do lalafell females have breast sliders when it does nothing). It is cause the engine is old and outdated and that is becoming more and more apparent. It is also the primary reason why adding new races is a pain in the ass. The ability to add more customization and new races/sexes stems from the same issue: The character customization engine is outdated and needs to be rebuilt.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but I just wanted to share a quote from Yoshi P with you:

When asked about whether viera and hrothgar would be the last new races to be introduced to the game, and if there were any plans to add more customization options to the established races, Yoshi P responded like this:

"if it is a customization option that significantly changes the shape of the races body, I think we would be better off to tackle the challenge of just introducing a new playable race all together instead."

Source

We would most likely see a new race before we saw sliders that would drastically change a character's body.

Either way, its not a game breaker nor remotely important.

idk, it's not game breaking, but it's pretty important to me. It's important to some people, and not important to others.