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    Quote Originally Posted by RajNish View Post
    Ok, let's figure out what a mentor should do. Screenshot from the game.



    And what about mentors' roulette? Let's read this page:



    And what is the result? Any player can leave duty if something does not suit them. Mentors are no exception. They get their half-hour penalty.

    A lot of mentors do not make mentors' roulette although they have access to it. Does this mean that they are bad mentors and do not help newcomers? Nope.
    #2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.

    Yelling at new players or even older players to do fights unsynced... demanding to be kicked from thr trial because it's not worth your time.. afking the entire fight because they wouldn't kick you.. refusing to even attempt to guide the players on an Ex trial..

    This is exactly what is being talked about.. remove the ability to unsync a fight until its been cleared synced.. that will keep the people i mention above out..

    Will some bad ones still slip in.. sure but you can be pretty dam sure they actual did the fight they were brought into by the roulette if the change was made
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxcel View Post
    #2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.

    Yelling at new players or even older players to do fights unsynced... demanding to be kicked from thr trial because it's not worth your time.. afking the entire fight because they wouldn't kick you.. refusing to even attempt to guide the players on an Ex trial..

    This is exactly what is being talked about.. remove the ability to unsync a fight until its been cleared synced.. that will keep the people i mention above out..

    Will some bad ones still slip in.. sure but you can be pretty dam sure they actual did the fight they were brought into by the roulette if the change was made
    Point #1: provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.

    People being rude about it isn't conductive, but the fact remains, telling a DF EX trial group to do it unsynced is in fact good advice - Because the groups you'd find in DF are vastly incapable of completing anything besides the easiest EX trials that can be gigantically outgeared to kill it before major mechanics. So telling them to use a system that allows them to have a great chance at clearing the content is good advice than continue using DF to futiliy try and eke out a clear by finding a bingo group among a sea of doomed ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baxcel View Post
    Yeah it kinda will fix things.. because the next time I'm doing a ex trial an it gets filled by another mentor besides myself ill know that they actual cleared this fight before.. or are looking to clear it again to re-gain access to mentor roulette.. thus ensuring that they won't abandon the other players in the trial or demand special treatment to a kick so they don't get locked out..

    So what I think you ment to say way this will help.. just not helpful for the bad mentors out there.
    Or the actual reality: anyone who cares about Mentor roulette will do all of them in PF, then immediately bail and continue the same pattern again if they get EX in DF since it's not worth it, making your whole system pointless.
    Alternative likely outcome: The EXs never pop since the amount of people that would care to re-unlock mentor roulette with all that criteria would basically be <1% of current mentors, completely defeating the point of your system and preventing you from ever using DF for EX's.

    The simple reality is that EX trials don't belong in a roulette alongside things as trivial as Guildhests. If you're that adamant about doing trials synced with your buds, find a group of 7 others or PF it. Nothing will stop people understanding that EXs are a waste of time in mentor roulette and bailing. and if you implement punishments harsh enough for leaving, they'll just fake D/C or not queue at all; harming the dungeons/guildhests/normal trials/normal raids that could use the mentor roulette peeps to fill them out and actually have a chance at clearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxcel View Post
    #2. Be an exemplar for player etiquette.

    Yelling at new players or even older players to do fights unsynced... demanding to be kicked from thr trial because it's not worth your time.. afking the entire fight because they wouldn't kick you.. refusing to even attempt to guide the players on an Ex trial..
    Well, you observe the natural consequences of "fill party member slots". Of course, it's more decent to stay and wipe with the group, but these people make their choice. That is why I say that Ex Trials should not be in mentors' roulette.
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