Rework of unsynced system an mentor system

[Fynlar]

This is exactly what is being talked about.. remove the ability to unsync a fight until its been cleared synced..

Considering the feature was added specifically to help people clear old (as in, not current xpac) unpopular content that nobody does anymore, this is unlikely.

Also as pointed out above, clearing a fight "normally" still does not mean you'll want to run it with randoms.

Or the actual reality: anyone who cares about Mentor roulette will do all of them in PF, then immediately bail and continue the same pattern again if they get EX in DF since it's not worth it, making your whole system pointless.
Alternative likely outcome: The EXs never pop since the amount of people that would care to re-unlock mentor roulette with all that criteria would basically be <1% of current mentors, completely defeating the point of your system and preventing you from ever using DF for EX's.

The simple reality is that EX trials don't belong in a roulette alongside things as trivial as Guildhests. If you're that adamant about doing trials synced with your buds, find a group of 7 others or PF it. Nothing will stop people understanding that EXs are a waste of time in mentor roulette and bailing. and if you implement punishments harsh enough for leaving, they'll just fake D/C or not queue at all; harming the dungeons/guildhests/normal trials/normal raids that could use the mentor roulette peeps to fill them out and actually have a chance at clearing.

This person knows what's up.

[Baxcel]

Point #1: provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.

People being rude about it isn't conductive, but the fact remains, telling a DF EX trial group to do it unsynced is in fact good advice - Because the groups you'd find in DF are vastly incapable of completing anything besides the easiest EX trials that can be gigantically outgeared to kill it before major mechanics. So telling them to use a system that allows them to have a great chance at clearing the content is good advice than continue using DF to futiliy try and eke out a clear by finding a bingo group among a sea of doomed ones.



Or the actual reality: anyone who cares about Mentor roulette will do all of them in PF, then immediately bail and continue the same pattern again if they get EX in DF since it's not worth it, making your whole system pointless.
Alternative likely outcome: The EXs never pop since the amount of people that would care to re-unlock mentor roulette with all that criteria would basically be <1% of current mentors, completely defeating the point of your system and preventing you from ever using DF for EX's.

The simple reality is that EX trials don't belong in a roulette alongside things as trivial as Guildhests. If you're that adamant about doing trials synced with your buds, find a group of 7 others or PF it. Nothing will stop people understanding that EXs are a waste of time in mentor roulette and bailing. and if you implement punishments harsh enough for leaving, they'll just fake D/C or not queue at all; harming the dungeons/guildhests/normal trials/normal raids that could use the mentor roulette peeps to fill them out and actually have a chance at clearing.

1st one the advice do it unsycned isnt always helpful.. quite often the group that loaded into by DF are actually there because they wanna do it synced..

2nd im perfectly fine with the mentor system being dropped down to arouns 1% of the current ones we have.. as a lot of them aint doing anything to help currently..

Also as per my original post a faked D/C would result in a kick from party.. which as a mentor would result in a lockout upon returning to the game.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

1st one the advice do it unsycned isnt always helpful.. quite often the group that loaded into by DF are actually there because they wanna do it synced..

2nd im perfectly fine with the mentor system being dropped down to arouns 1% of the current ones we have.. as a lot of them aint doing anything to help currently..

Also as per my original post a faked D/C would result in a kick from party.. which as a mentor would result in a lockout upon returning to the game.

Oh? and what if someone has an internet outage or a spotty connection for 30mins? Are you going to punish them too because nature dictated they had to D/C?
Welcome to the catch 22 of punishing D/Cers and why Square doesn't implement any. Because they'll impact genuine cases as well as those of people who want to circumvent, and there's no way to tell them apart from a coding point.

Also, considering how rare it is to get EX in Mentor roulette anyway, leaving just the single EX isn't going to impact them much with your punishment, since chances are very high that's the only mentor roulette they're leaving that day.

If they have the mindset to do it synced, there's PF, where they can recruit others that align with their mindset, rather than roll the dice and hope they get what they want (which will vastly not be the case.)
teaching people to use unsync, or to use PF to find like-minded individuals to find a full party are factually good advice. Mentors have to deal with less, doomed to fail EX attempts, people who want to do synced find like minded individuals instead of getting sore that recruiting random people didn't give them exactly what they wanted, everyone wins.

[Baxcel]

Oh? and what if someone has an internet outage or a spotty connection for 30mins? Are you going to punish them too because nature dictated they had to D/C?
Welcome to the catch 22 of punishing D/Cers and why Square doesn't implement any. Because they'll impact genuine cases as well as those of people who want to circumvent, and there's no way to tell them apart from a coding point.

Also, considering how rare it is to get EX in Mentor roulette anyway, leaving just the single EX isn't going to impact them much with your punishment, since chances are very high that's the only mentor roulette they're leaving that day.

If they have the mindset to do it synced, there's PF, where they can recruit others that align with their mindset, rather than roll the dice and hope they get what they want (which will vastly not be the case.)
teaching people to use unsync, or to use PF to find like-minded individuals to find a full party are factually good advice. Mentors have to deal with less, doomed to fail EX attempts, people who want to do synced find like minded individuals instead of getting sore that recruiting random people didn't give them exactly what they wanted, everyone wins.

If theyre a mentor then yes.. d/c and being kick will result in a 30min punishment.. if theyre not a mentor then no they'll be just fine.. this post is about fixing unsync an mentors not punishing the rest of players.. just those who agreed to do more for the community..

I'm assuming by your 2nd paragraph you didn't read all of my original post.. the 30min lockout is base.. it doubles everytime they do it for that entire week.. 30min on first.. 1hr on 2nd.. 2hrs on third and so on.. sure some might only get the 30min in a full week.. but if your leaving instances left an right you'll be locked out for a good bit by the end of the week.

Sure people can use party finder.. but at the same time using duty finder you should expect to find a group that will actually attempt the fight.. not immediately leave after hurling insults or calling the fight unwinnable..

[Legion88]

If theyre a mentor then yes.. d/c and being kick will result in a 30min punishment.. if theyre not a mentor then no they'll be just fine.. this post is about fixing unsync an mentors not punishing the rest of players.. just those who agreed to do more for the community..

I like this idea. Maybe you should include everyone in the duty, so not only the mentor is motivated to teach but also the other people are motivated to learn.
And the lockout should be applied for everyone leaving the duty without a clear, so lockout for D/C, lockout for kick, lockout for leaving, lockout for vote abbandon, lockout for running out of time, also double the lockout for everyone without a clear already.
This will motivate everyone in the party to do their best to clear the fight and prepare, especially the first timers and newcommers.

While we are on the lockout anyway, why not change the normal lockout reset also to weekly?
/s

Also please stop being a mentor, when you fail already at the stage of teaching people common sense and the common courtesy of the community and how it handles different content.
This whole thread is evidence enough that you yourself don't understand what it means to be a mentor.
If the tool doesn't work like it should you are thinking about punishing the user instead of fixing the tool.
The better way to fix this would be to put every Extreme and Ballad and how they are called back into the "High-End Duties" section of the DF and remove them from the mentor roulette.
But for you the mentors are just a tool that has to be fixed, but you don't notice that they are just the users and the DF and roulettes are the real tools.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Oh look, another suggestion of how to finally kill the mentor system for good...

[Wolwosh]

Even though i'm a super nice and helpful guy, i'm not helping sprouts through extremes anymore. They have no idea what tank swapping is, don't prepare at all and most of the time they don't listen to my advice anyway or speak English. I'm not sitting through 1 hour of torture for strangers and in the end not even get a clear, i'm not Jesus..

[M0rrigan]

They have no idea what tank swapping is

Can you blame them though? players who have never experienced extremes or 8-man raids before never had to tank swap, it's a mechanic never brought up for them before. I'm not even a mentor but this is part of why extremes shouldn't be in a mentor roulette. It's not content you can just simply give directions and somewhat carry it. Statics had to progress with communication and watching guides when they released, sometimes even for days, and new players are expected to do so in a single hour with mechanics and pace they haven't seen before. It can be used as a tool to teach people? sure why not, but it's not a tool meant for duty completion, which is the point of doing a roulette.

[EverQuest]

This idea is bad.

Additionally this game is face roll 99% of the time. Savage stuff is pretty easy to be honest, and ultimates are artificially hard more like a test of can you find 8 people of being able to do mechanics for 20 minutes straight.

People flop around in titatna ex forever even after the mechanics are explained. The problem isn't knowledge of the fights it's that usually its not understood via chat. Maybe add voice chat in game.