Rework of unsynced system an mentor system

[Baxcel]

So let me get this straight. You want every single mentor in the game , to repeat every single trial and ex in the game synced to reunlock the mentorship and mentor rlt. not only that you introduce a second punishment for mentors in case they get kicked from trials or leave dungeons.
That will also somehow fix bad raiders?

no they don't have to reunlock mentor they keep their mentor status but inorder to use mentor roulette they have to recomplete the normal an ex trails

Do you need explanation as to why this is a bad idea?
1) not every mentor but some of them did clear them synced and were helpfull so youre basicly telling them go and re do it

Irrelevant just because a few did all the trials legeitmitly dosnt mean the majority did and its painfully obvious they didnt

2) Even though having to redo them might revitalise them heres a couple arguements why it wont
i) people can simply pf them, or do them with their statics. Newer players who want to do them will go through df regardless. and since no mentor nn exists anymore there is none to tell them otherwise ,unless they specificly talk about wanting to do them with someone

Yeah thats fine.. it will at least mean they did it legit and didnt force a clear unycned.

ii) You just killed the filler rlt

For about a month maybe but with the sheer number of people redoing them by PF or DF that wouldn't matter as they'd have players doing them.

iii) People dont need the crown to help, so if you get a mentor who has finished astrope and simply dont feels the need to keep doing the rlt, then they dont have any reason to.
iv) The extreme trials are not that hard for those who know what to do.

Agreed you dont need the crown to help and ex isnt that hard.. but if you have the crown you should be helping and not just yelling at new players to do it unycned.

3) Youre locking unsynced for everyone not just mentors, and this is something the community as a whole should accept happily?

Yes, unsycned should be reserved for after you cleared something and want to farm it.. if you havnt cleared it normally yet.. you have no right or need to be there in a farming group.

4) In your opinion Mentors should be punished more harshly for misbehavior. heres another point of view:

Yes mentors should be held to a strictor standing.. just like the agreement you clicked on said when you applied to be a mentor.


For every good story you could list about good mentors theres hundreds about bad ones.

Once again Im a mentor too.. and the pool is already stagnant with bad mentors.. just because you lose access to mentor roulette dosnt mean you lose your crown.. you can still help in NN you can still guide people but if you can clear ifirit Ex with a group synced without complaining or asking to be kicked.. then you dont need to be a mentor.

[HeulGDarian]

For every good story you could list about good mentors theres hundreds about bad ones.

You have this linked like it is something i said. I did not. Fix it.

[EaMett]

For every good story you could list about good mentors theres hundreds about bad ones.

This and your original post make a huge incorrect assumption. That mentors are bad (or a significant portion of them are). It's an age-old urban legend born from survivor bias and actually has no real-life correlation. At least none that anyone has been able to demonstrate.

I've been tracking mentor behavior and spreadsheeting it for a while now. The reality is that "bad" mentors represent only 1-1.5% of the mentor population (on Aether where I am at least). And when I say bad, I count every mentor who leaves ex fights, mentors who are mean/sassy/sarcastic, and even mentors who actively help others but have a bout of lack of patience for whatever reason and could be friendlier.
Compared to that about 20% of all mentors actively help and contribute positively to groups. The rest are just silent and do their thing.

Skill is harder to evaluate as it's a little subjective but overall about only 7% have bellow par skills and honestly, willing to bet a good chunk of those are people learning new classes and not indicative of their actual skill level. Not only that but the majority (just barely, 54%) of mentors have what I would call above average skill.

This idea that the mentor system is somehow failing really doesn't have any tangible data justifying it. At best you get anecdotal evidence.

If anyone's curious, on aether:
- Worst track record per server is gilgamesh with the most "bad" mentors. About 2.5x second place.
- Best server is Siren. Highest % of helpful mentors, haven't had a bad apple yet.
- Least played classes by mentors are MNK, WAR. Least played healer is SCH
- Most played classes by mentors are DNC, RDM, SMN. (62% of mentors are dps)

Also while we're at it, Mentor roulette ex encounters clear roughly 50-60% of the time. I guess your mileage will vary based on how helpful you are. Some people's numbers are closer to 70% clear rates.

Edit: None of this really speaks to the quality of the NN. I assume NN quality can vary wildly based on server and especially region (heard EU is rough, probably because of the mix of languages). On Faerie the NN is fine.