Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

[ForteNightshade]

Yes and I still don't see the point of sitting on it for 3 weeks to "not rush players". If you feel the need to rush then that's on you. Even for a week 1 clear you don't need to start exactly on release day unless you plan to literally raid all 7 days of the week (who the fuck actually does this?) and then it's simply something you have to deal with.

The point is ultimately irrelevant. They do it, and likely will continue to do so. Asking for Savage to be delayed is effectively the same thing.

And if you're aiming for a week one kill, you're running every day. Why should we "have to deal with it" though? Once again, crafters don't have to deal with the Firmament being released at the same time. Although, this is a solution—at least to the cut-scene problem. They can either allow you to unlock Savage without having completed Normal mode. Just slap a warning message on the NPC. Alternatively, put the raid story in New Game+ immediately instead of waiting until the expansion ends. They have Coil, Alex and Omega in there. So we know Gaia will be as well. Just put it in now and you solve one of the complaints.

[linayar]

MSQ can be a requirement for a trial > gear. And obviously all other crafting requirements.

Also to the point of your post. The only decent argument has been that it delays the release of tomestones. But that argument runs thin. If you rephrase everything to "can we release normal content one week early" that argument falls appart since we're no longer delaying anything. In essence both scenarios are exactly the same, because it's not a delay if it's planned.
The fact that the first savage tier is staggered and works fine is a good indicator that this could also be done with later tiers.

I never said it couldn't be done. I said it would cause a delay in tomestone release, which happens in the first Savage tier. The difference is that the .0 patch has two new tomestones while there is only one for subsequent major patch.

Clearly you have never done the 3rd or last floor fight week 1 or 2.
Not trying to throw shade but you don't have a single savage mount so don't talk about "skill" or are you gonna tell me this is an alt like most people on the forums? Again, no offense.
Its not even about skill at the point, its just reaching the dps check which you need...you guess it. The gil, you need to buy crap ton of pots and food and that can end up costing more than a whole crafted set together if you keep wiping which...you will because no guides are out to help you.
There comes a point there is nothing you can do skill wise, but gear holding you back.

Then you can wait until you get the gear you want. The reason is irrelevant.

Here's a thing, people DO NOT need their tome gear if they're not doing savage. What you gonna use it for? those snoozefest expert dgn's? They can honestly wait a week or 2 to start getting it to farm...ex primals I guess and how are people losing out on their crafted gear? you do know the crafted gear mats is bought with the tomes from the previous tier. They wouldn't have to change that since you'll still be able to buy said gear with it.

It doesn't even have to be 2 weeks, it can just be one week as well.
Still waiting for good reason for why delay is a bad thing.
If anything, as I said before its a benefit because people are actually somewhat gear if, again, you play only in DF.

Other people shouldn't have to wait a week just because your group can't wait an hour or a day.

And again, people who are waiting to be geared up can still do that.

[VenKitsune]

they won't. savage is only delayed for the first tier.

That may be the case but i dont see why we cant have our cake and eat it too. The 2nd and 3rd tiers are always extremely annoying for hardcore or semi-hardcore raiders, the people whol will actually clear a few turns in the first week because the first day consists of not only getting through normal mode as soon as possible but also spending basically the whole day crafting new pots, food, and gear added in the patch for the raid the very same day and its extremely hectic.
I see no reason why savage shouldnt be delayed by atleast a week. I never have.
This wasn't a problem with coils, there wasnt a story mode and crafted gear being better than the previous tier armour wasnt a thing, but is been a bit of a peeve of mine ever since HW.

[Liam_Harper]

Most people who raid have no issues with it.

Source?

I think there's fair points on both sides. Some people don't care about MSQ or Normal and are fine zerging through it to reach Savage day 1, because Savage is what they look forward to. Others love experiencing the story while also being fully prepared, with no pressure. They aren't going to quit their static over it if they have a good static, but they still don't enjoy it. Both sides don't understand why the other is making a fuss, because we all have different preferences and some things can mean more to others.

Another option could be to stagger the crafted gear, food and pots 1-2 weeks. Tbh crafted gear is in a strange spot right now anyway, it's way too easy to get and beats almost everything below Savage. It's lost whatever purpose it had.

[Waterscape]

That may be the case but i dont see why we cant have our cake and eat it too. The 2nd and 3rd tiers are always extremely annoying for hardcore or semi-hardcore raiders, the people whol will actually clear a few turns in the first week because the first day consists of not only getting through normal mode as soon as possible but also spending basically the whole day crafting new pots, food, and gear added in the patch for the raid the very same day and its extremely hectic.
I see no reason why savage shouldnt be delayed by atleast a week. I never have.
This wasn't a problem with coils, there wasnt a story mode and crafted gear being better than the previous tier armour wasnt a thing, but is been a bit of a peeve of mine ever since HW.

Hardcore raiders have a problem clearing the second turn ? since when ? I have always cleared the 1 and 2 first weeks in PF .

[Waterscape]

Source?

I think there's fair points on both sides. Some people don't care about MSQ or Normal and are fine zerging through it to reach Savage day 1, because Savage is what they look forward to. Others love experiencing the story while also being fully prepared, with no pressure. They aren't going to quit their static over it if they have a good static, but they still don't enjoy it. Both sides don't understand why the other is making a fuss, because we all have different preferences and some things can mean more to others.

Another option could be to stagger the crafted gear, food and pots 1-2 weeks. Tbh crafted gear is in a strange spot right now anyway, it's way too easy to get and beats almost everything below Savage. It's lost whatever purpose it had.

The thing is for the turns 2/3 and 4 you need a higher ilvl than your actual BIS . The next savage tier ilvl is going to be 500/505/510/510 . Hardcore static can probably clear the first 3 without problem with 500 ilvl , but not sure for the 4 if it have a dps check like shiva.

[linayar]

That may be the case but i dont see why we cant have our cake and eat it too. The 2nd and 3rd tiers are always extremely annoying for hardcore or semi-hardcore raiders, the people whol will actually clear a few turns in the first week because the first day consists of not only getting through normal mode as soon as possible but also spending basically the whole day crafting new pots, food, and gear added in the patch for the raid the very same day and its extremely hectic.
I see no reason why savage shouldnt be delayed by atleast a week. I never have.
This wasn't a problem with coils, there wasnt a story mode and crafted gear being better than the previous tier armour wasnt a thing, but is been a bit of a peeve of mine ever since HW.

Normal mode is the only difference between the first tier and the rest since, if you delay Savage, then tomestone and crafted gears, potions, and meals would also be delayed.

So there's no good reason to rush through something that can be done in an hour or two in duty finder without rushing and skipping through dialogs and cutscenes, which means it can be done faster than that in a static, especially if you have "basically the whole day."

So I see no reason why other people have to wait a week to accommodate for people who can't wait an hour or two (and realistically less than that)

[elioaiko]

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a week delay. It would certainly help with watching the cutscenes and getting your gear together. But also I would like to not have to rush to craft stuff and spend hours collecting it on the same day.

Even if it's just a day, I would like not to feel rushed by statics who want to tackle it asap.

[HeulGDarian]

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a week delay. It would certainly help with watching the cutscenes and getting your gear together. But also I would like to not have to rush to craft stuff and spend hours collecting it on the same day.

Even if it's just a day, I would like not to feel rushed by statics who want to tackle it asap.

it actually isnt unreasonable , in fact i remember this kind of conversation before and raiders where all for it. Besides you know how it goes world first race takes 2 days and pf players demands you know the strat in 1.

[MarniDawg]

Why are so many people dogpiling on someone who wants to be able to enjoy both the story and the raids? You shouldn't need to sacrifice one for the other. Just delay savage release by one week so everyone can enjoy both.