Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

[Absurdity]

Not everybody crafts, prices sky rocket on raid supplies on first week 1-4 weeks, you can spend over 5 or more mil(DC dependent) for pots and food for only a tiny amount as well. Its easy to say just save up. 2 weeks will help due to the fact mainly battle content players like myself can farm tomes and sell to crafters as the crafted mats are always from the previous tier tomes which can usually get you 1-2mil easy...so yeah.
2 weeks will help a lot.

That's not gonna change anything. The prices of new crafted items drop by about 80% within the first two days, as do the prices for crafting mats. So you have 1-2, maybe 3, days where you can make a decent amount of money, not 2 weeks. And this is still not an argument for why savage needs to be delayed instead of those who can't afford everything on release just making money for 2 days, getting their stuff and then starting to raid.

*snip*

Yes and I made that argument exactly because I see no point in staggering content that has already been done and tested for an arbitrary amount of time just because.


The staggered release on expansion launch makes atleast slightly more sense because everyone has to hit max level first and get through the MSQ to even be able to unlock the raids, a vastly different amount of time investment compared to getting the newest crafted gear, consumables + invest an hour into clearing the raid on normal and as mentioned this requirement applies to everyone, not just a portion of the community which A. wants to raid on day 1 of savage release but also B. wants the release to be when they deem it appropriate.

[Wyakin]

What I don't get is why people who have no recorded history in savage feel the need to push back savage?

Pushing back savage really accomplishes nothing except makes people who like savage wait longer to do it. MSQ is a one-day affair, if you don't have time before raid on release day, then you can do it the next day you don't have raid time. Or you can do it on your day off from work. If you're sooooo intent on trying to get world first then that's you setting your priorities, which is fine, but it doesn't mean your priorities get to dictate to everyone else when they're allowed to start savage. It's incredibly selfish to suggest otherwise.

You wanna get world first? Great, I'm rooting for you! But that means you need to sacrifice other things. Deal with it.

I’m a raider, I’ve cleared pretty much most tiers since 2.0. I’m a crafter, a parent, full time shift worker and I’m an advocate for staggering the release by a week or so to give me chance to craft myself adequate gear and such around my work/life

[xxvaynxx]

That's not gonna change anything. The prices of new crafted items drop by about 80% within the first two days, as do the prices for crafting mats. So you have 1-2, maybe 3, days where you can make a decent amount of money, not 2 weeks. And this is still not an argument for why savage needs to be delayed instead of those who can't afford everything on release just making money for 2 days, getting their stuff and then starting to raid.

"That's not gonna change anything"
Yes it is.
"The prices of new crafted items drop by about 80% within the first two days"
No it doesn't. That's a massive exaggeration 80%? I'll love for that to actually be true. Might just be your region/dc or w/e but that don't fly over here. Crafted gear don't drop until after the 3rd or 4th week and it sometimes barely goes down and some pieces, more so if its BiS (Best in slot) those stay expensive. More so if the crafters catch on its the best piece to have over the tome gear which is usually the acc like rings.

But you know what? I'm gonna keep this thread bookmarked and come back to it if it actually does drop by 80% to see if your clams are true when the new crafted gear does drop.
Soo yeah. Delaying savage will help.

[EaMett]

Yes and I made that argument exactly because I see no point in staggering content that has already been done and tested for an arbitrary amount of time just because.

It already is though (being released an arbitrary amount of time after it's done and tested).

[NanaWiloh]

Things that dont hold water.

They wait a few weeks after release to release savage so why not all tiers? MSQ at the start is 50-60 quests. MSQ patch is 10-12. Which one you thi k eats more time hmmm.

I have work and family? Ya so do thousands of other players in this game. You are not more special then anyone else.

We need time to gear and get ready? Crafted gear and tome gear will get delayed alongside savage. So you wil still have a gear hurdle.

I dont want to sacrifice doing other content just so I can do savage.

All part of gaming accepting you cant do everything you want when or how you want. Its a give and take relationship

[ForteNightshade]

People keep conflating world racing with week 1/2 prog. If your aim is the latter, then getting in as much time as possible becomes a significant benefit.

I was in this exact situation with my 5.2 static. Two members worked all day and I and the Scholar were our only omni-crafters. Since the majority wanted to jump into Savage that evening, it meant we all needed to skip cut-scenes otherwise we wouldn't have the time. So what happened? The two who worked had someone else log in for them, rush the whole story and I skipped everything myself so I could focus on crafting. All because we wanted to shoot for a week 1 clear.

Considering the devs delay almost everything, I fail to see why a week delay for Savage is such a big deal. Look at Ishgard Restoration. They're turning off the game for five hours tomorrow just to update the next cycle instead of patching it in with 5.3 proper. Why? Because it'd make people who want to race for the title have to ignore story otherwise they'd have no chance of catching up. Only twelve players actually get anything out of that competition, and it has a decidedly smaller population than Savage. So once again, why can't Savage have a week delay?

Yes and I made that argument exactly because I see no point in staggering content that has already been done and tested for an arbitrary amount of time just because.

Except they already do this. They outright said HoH was delayed back in 4.3 for no other reason than "we didn't want to overwhelm the playerbase with so much content." That's just one example. Ishgard Restoration is another. Do you really think they're still working on it three weeks before launch? They're sitting on it because they don't want people feeling rushed.

[NanaWiloh]

Just want to quckly address the otherside here.

Delaying savage as pointed above will only delay crafted and tone gear relase. No big deal there not going to die. Now it is not a day 1 savage raiders fault that there patient goes crashing through a wall running off into the distance like the kool aid man when savage drops. Only returning when they finally get into the raid, its hard to keep a big happy glass pitcher from running off.

[Absurdity]

Except they already do this. They outright said HoH was delayed back in 4.3 for no other reason than "we didn't want to overwhelm the playerbase with so much content." That's just one example. Ishgard Restoration is another. Do you really think they're still working on it three weeks before launch? They're sitting on it because they don't want people feeling rushed.

Yes and I still don't see the point of sitting on it for 3 weeks to "not rush players". If you feel the need to rush then that's on you. Even for a week 1 clear you don't need to start exactly on release day unless you plan to literally raid all 7 days of the week (who the fuck actually does this?) and then it's simply something you have to deal with.

[Katie_Kitty]

I’m a raider, I’ve cleared pretty much most tiers since 2.0. I’m a crafter, a parent, full time shift worker and I’m an advocate for staggering the release by a week or so to give me chance to craft myself adequate gear and such around my work/life

Plenty of time to get yourself ready before the tier drops. Most people who raid have no issues with it. Also, in the future, if you're going to make claims about how often you raid, I recommend doing it on a character where your raiding history is easily determined based on mounts or through other means because when someone says "I've cleared pretty much most tiers since 2.0" there are ways to try to verify that information and it's not a good look if those ways do not seem to support what you say. :/

Anyway, I'm against this idea. I think it's pointless. I work as well and don't think there's any need for it - If anything, it will just make us wait for no good reason when we could be raiding instead.

[Barraind]

staggering the release by a week or so to give me chance to craft myself

New crafting tomestone mats are tied to the current capped tomestone going uncapped, which is tied to the current savage tier + new capped tomestone.

So you won't be crafting anything until savage drops anyway.


The ONLY thing you will get from pushing savage back a week or two is 1 or 2 pieces of crafted armor you wont need because you can get slightly more normal gear.

Thats about ~3 minutes per person per week. Or less than 30 minutes a static if only 1 person is crafting for your whole static.

And that's assuming you still do normal the week savage drops before you do savage.

There's no point in delaying it.

There's barely a point in delaying the first raid tier.