The toxicity starting to happen.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Come off your high-horse kid.

Drop the SJW attitude, Anita

[SavishSalacious]

What I see going on in this thread disgusts me. The attacks on other people. I wish a mod would lock this thread and ban half of you. The attacks on casual players, I'm sorry we are not the problem, maybe some of us are, but a lot of you elitist's players who think savage content is the only way to play the game.

This whole thread, which was designed to discuss the toxic environment creeping into the game as well as the racial and homophobia also creeping in the game more and more with, what seems like, every day passing.

Every game, as I stated time and time again, has its toxic environment, but this thread alone, brings all those people -yes even you reading this - to the fore front. The people in this thread are a prime example of trolls, baiting, harassments, attacks and general bullishness.

FF 14, is a game that is different then WOW or GW2, its story centric, its RP friendly, its Gay friendly and open about it. It includes every one, regardless of your gender, your race, your background. It makes YOU the central figure in the story. We should be coming together, especially in these times where the USA is all kinds of messy, where The pandemic is reaching every corner of the world. Instead what I see is children flinging feces at each other in a discussion thread demonstrating the very thing I am saying exists in game.

I am disappointed in our community. Who cares how a tank is suppose to play, who cares how they pull enemies. Wall to wall is not the way, taking your time, if you are new, and asking for help is the right way. People should not be afraid to ask for help in this game, be it in a dungeon or a raid. Never had that issue before - yet now its slapping us all in the face.

And how is it toxicity to not want to watch a video or read a guide? Read the normal guide for the game, yeah. But to have to go through diagrams, others play styles, and videos just to have fun and play a game? That's not your call to make. That's not anyone's call to make. An MMO is not locked to only one playstyle that has to be super efficient or the people playing aren't 'doing it right'. It's an MMORPG "RPG" Role Playing Game. Taking on a role. Playing that role how you see fit.

This right here is perfect: Get good, go read a guide, watch a video. There is no complexity to FF 14, its a simple rotation or set of, once you get that down you are good to go. The best way to do that is to play the game. Follow your class quests, MSQ. All of it makes you think about which skills are appropriate to use and even the class quests, in some cases, tell you how to use your skills.

[HeulGDarian]

What I see going on in this thread disgusts me. The attacks on other people. I wish a mod would lock this thread and ban half of you. The attacks on casual players, I'm sorry we are not the problem, maybe some of us are, but a lot of you elitist's players who think savage content is the only way to play the game.

This whole thread, which was designed to discuss the toxic environment creeping into the game as well as the racial and homophobia also creeping in the game more and more with, what seems like, every day passing.

Every game, as I stated time and time again, has its toxic environment, but this thread alone, brings all those people -yes even you reading this - to the fore front. The people in this thread are a prime example of trolls, baiting, harassments, attacks and general bullishness.

FF 14, is a game that is different then WOW or GW2, its story centric, its RP friendly, its Gay friendly and open about it. It includes every one, regardless of your gender, your race, your background. It makes YOU the central figure in the story. We should be coming together, especially in these times where the USA is all kinds of messy, where The pandemic is reaching every corner of the world. Instead what I see is children flinging feces at each other in a discussion thread demonstrating the very thing I am saying exists in game.

I am disappointed in our community. Who cares how a tank is suppose to play, who cares how they pull enemies. Wall to wall is not the way, taking your time, if you are new, and asking for help is the right way. People should not be afraid to ask for help in this game, be it in a dungeon or a raid. Never had that issue before - yet now its slapping us all in the face.




This right here is perfect: Get good, go read a guide, watch a video. There is no complexity to FF 14, its a simple rotation or set of, once you get that down you are good to go. The best way to do that is to play the game. Follow your class quests, MSQ. All of it makes you think about which skills are appropriate to use and even the class quests, in some cases, tell you how to use your skills.

well done dude. 10/10 you fixed it all our problems are now solved, god bless your infinite wisdom that allows you to be above all those toxic people with their own lives who are minding their own businesses.

[Daibunnie]

a lot of you elitist's players who think savage content is the only way to play the game.

I like how the only defense most toxic casuals have is thinking that the "elitists" want people to do their proper rotation is on par with savage performance when that isn't even the case.

I am disappointed in our community. Who cares how a tank is suppose to play, who cares how they pull enemies.

Clearly people care if they're calling out those tanks on lazy/ignorant performance.

People should not be afraid to ask for help in this game, be it in a dungeon or a raid. Never had that issue before - yet now its slapping us all in the face.

You are delusional if you think people are afraid of asking for help rather than getting defensive when receiving criticism or advice.

[yotsuffy]

I Haven't played tank for years.
I Give it another chance.
At every beginning of dungeons, I say with auto-translate phrases I am novice as a tank and inexperienced.

Then?

There is always someone - the healer - to pull more mobs or, even better, to pull ME to more mobs.

I struggle with commands - the "inexperienced" part, for those who won't read chat.
I struggle with the VIEW - even more if I have to move it all the time to check what other players pull to the fight.

And still, everytime someone decides HOW I MUST DO MY PART without any care for how I deal with it.

And people still wonder why Tank is a role in need?

When I play tank, people make it boring, frustrating, unsatisfying.

And people still wonder why Tank is a role in need?

Reminder: it is a game. Enjoy it. Have fun.
You meet people you don't know. Inexperienced ones, hardcore ones.
Your random parties will grant you new experiences of the game. Don't expect your random parties to perform exactly the same and according to your will.
Expect from your random teammates to perform their very own bests. Some will do good, some could do better and sometimes your friendly advices will help them. But don't expect them to perform exactly accordingly to your will.

Accept they're different.
Accept they don't know the game like you.
Accept they do mistakes.

Don't impose your way because you "know" how it "must" be done.

You may be very good. You may want to go faster and know it can be done faster. But you meet random players. They all don't know the game like you. They all don't master their roles like you. Still, they all want to have fun, they all want to succeed, they all want to bring something to the party.

If you can't accept their differences, just don't play with random players.

Please.

[Shalan]

I am disappointed in our community. Who cares how a tank is suppose to play, who cares how they pull enemies. Wall to wall is not the way, taking your time, if you are new, and asking for help is the right way. People should not be afraid to ask for help in this game, be it in a dungeon or a raid. Never had that issue before - yet now its slapping us all in the face.

Why do you guys keep acting as if anyone is talking about new players? You're literally the only ones talking about them.
Thread after thread this topic comes up, and time after time we state we're not talking about new players in ARR dungeons or something. The focus of our complaints is (almost) always on more experienced players, generally lvl 68+ not even doing the most BASIC aspects of their class, which the game actively shoves in their face to do. I'm talking things like no DPS healers, BLM not using enochian, freestyle sam, etc.

And then people rally to their defense, and act as if they're not being toxic themselves for dragging down the experience of other players, or that we're toxic for expecting them to learn by the time they've completed the base game and have a couple expansions of content under their belt. That's not toxic, it's not elitist. And yet we're slandered or libeled for it all the same.

Drop the "new player" strawman already. I get that it's a handy deflection, but it's not what people are talking about. Its repeated use is just grating at this point.


And people are more than free to ask for help, I've never even seen anyone derided for doing so in my years of playing. I've seen and experienced plenty of folks being hounded for offering advice however. Even if it's courteous and laden with pleasantries, there's a disturbing number of people in this game who blow their top if you imply they're doing something wrong.

From past threads here people have stated they legitimately view being offered unsolicited advice as being rude in this game. Think about that, recommending a tank use their CDs on a big pull if they aren't is rude and toxic unless they request the advice first. That kind of reaction turns a lot of people (myself included now) from ever offering advice.

[phantomr23]

This right here is perfect: Get good, go read a guide, watch a video. There is no complexity to FF 14, its a simple rotation or set of, once you get that down you are good to go. The best way to do that is to play the game. Follow your class quests, MSQ. All of it makes you think about which skills are appropriate to use and even the class quests, in some cases, tell you how to use your skills.

Incredible, then, that people still manage to constantly mess up the absolute basics. Sorry, but not knowing your class basics at 80 is inexcusable and all too common. The problem isn't the people trying to push others to improve, the problem is the people who refuse to learn and drag down others in a group environment because they want to treat this as a singleplayer game.

[LittleImp]

I wish a mod would lock this thread and ban half of you.

It includes every one, regardless of your gender, your race, your background. It makes YOU the central figure in the story. We should be coming together, especially in these times where the USA is all kinds of messy, where The pandemic is reaching every corner of the world.

wut

[Katie_Kitty]

Quite bold of you to suddenly assume that I don't play my class right or keep up and hold my own

Not to be rude, but your highest level job is lvl73, so chances are you do not play very well. Everybody thinks they're amazing at the game until they see the hard numbers and discover they actually have a lot of room for improvement. It's not an attack, it's just a statement of fact.

Also, there really is only one right way to play the game. There's no exploration or trial and error, your job has a specific optimal rotation to perform and that's that. The only adjustments come in the form of performing your rotation around the mechanical requirements of specific fights and that's really only a thing in high-end content because everything else can just be facerolled.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

Not to be rude, but your highest level job is lvl73, so chances are you do not play very well.

Because I literally only started playing August 2nd when I got the game.And then took a break from MSQ to level other classes and play adventure squads and wait on friends to level. Don't assume people can't play just because they decide to grind other things or not power through the MSQ. There's also such thing as sleep and life. I also didn't say I was the best player ever. But I hold my own and don't make people have to carry it. So your assumptions are arrogant.

And there IS exploration of trial and error. To getting to that point. Dying a lot, and learning what skills work is trial and error. Rather than read some elitest who made a guide because they did just that trial and error before you. There's NOTHING WRONG with wanting to learn things yourself. What if Youtube didn't exist, and no one made a guide or video, huh?! Stop commanding people to read others work. They aren't god of the game, and the only ones that can define how things are done. Jesus.