No more QTE please.

[Lhunuial]

See, here again.

I know WHAT you mean. Not trying to be mean here...

But they CLEARLY SAID

"IF YOU HAVE A CONTROLLER"
Which clearly is an option for controller people.


I also can give an option: Putting your Palm on your keyboard and making circles with it.

I'm willing to try that, because if I could use my palm and it would still register properly, then it would make a big difference. Right now, because I need to press the buttons so fast my joints just lock up and that's what causes me pain. I've tried using several different buttons, alternating between them, and that didn't make a difference. It wasn't fast enough, or it didn't register. I don't know, but I failed anyway.

I'm very anxious about trying again though, because I have tried over 20 times and I only passed it once in the Seat of Sacrifice.

Like you, I'm a clicker because if I stretch my fingers too much my joints act up and lock up my fingers. Same if I need to bend my fingers or hold them in the same position for longer periods of time. Like that QTE. It destroys my fingers and my wrists. And that's also why I don't type with 10 fingers, but with 4. So far that doesn't lead to many problems. Until now with this QTE. And reaction time is slow because of chronic fatigue due to an auto-immune disease. This QTE bundles all my issues into one, which is absolutely wonderful *sarcasm*.

[Tamhas]

I can't follow this thread on a daily basis but people argue against each other just for the sake of it and it be like "well i can't" and the other is like "BUT WHY NOT HUH?!". There are some people that are legit trying to help but who cares right?

No. You made an erroneous conclusion. But, as you said yourself, you do not follow this topic, so this is understandable.

ESPECIALLY since people say they mash extreme piano style and it hurts (which you don't need to so i say you don't need to). How is telling people that you mashing the ever living hell out of your keyboard in extreme speeds hurt your hand helps those who can not mash even close to what you can do?

There really was a lot of advice on this topic. Some even advised people with disabilities to play with their nose, face or feet. But no one here said that all the advice is bad. The problem is that not everyone can use them. Physically. People with disabilities have previously explained why different ways of moving during QTE are impossible for them or work, but cause pain anyway. I also remind you that hand problems can be very different. Сan't believe it? Well, then your questions will go unanswered.

You don't have that problem so you can't try to help people who do! Very helpful.
Like, there's people with problems sharing their experience and the moment it's not extremely negative it's like "GOOD on YOU, but this isn't about that and it's not for everybody!" If their experience isn't then this is all extremely useless.

And you're not accurate again. People were thanked here, unless, of course, the advice sounded like a mockery like "Try! Just find a solution and don't whine! " When someone really wanted to help, he got thanks.
Yes, a healthy person cannot always understand a person with disabilities. Especially if he persists in this incomprehension.

I have other problems which most people will not understand like:
I personally am extremely bad at platformers and suffer under extreme "lose myself" syndrome when there are more than 2 things on screen moving. I also have Motion sickness. My reaction time is actually kind of slow so in fastgames i don't even react sometimes. I can not press multiple button at once and i can not type with 10 fingers because i can't stretch my fingers that far. Yes, that FAR. I'm a clicker in this game. Hitting multiple buttons in a row like in Mario odyssey fries my brain and makes me extremely anxious.
And yet i won't just go against everybody who tries to help me with any of those problems because "you don't have it, so you can't help"

You have these problems. Other people have other problems. Do you seriously think that all advaice are suitable for everyone?

[Burado_T]

No need to be snarky at me just because i'm asking questions."

Didn't even try, I just answered

[Tamhas]

If you scroll back through the topic, you will find some very interesting "recommendations": for example, one were seriously recommended to play here... legs. And the one who suggested it, for some reason, is still not banned (which in itself makes you think).
I also suspect that any advice on how to "get around" the awkward mechanic does not address the most important problem: the problem of the existence of this mechanic. And the only effective way out here is to change this mechanic so that it ceases to be problematic.

Yes. This is a big question for me: why the forum administration does not appoint a ban to participants who advise people with disabilities to play with their feet. It's weird.
The second question: why should uninteresting QTE with wiping out the whole party cost a lot of effort and cause pain? This question is still unanswered.

[Yencat]

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I think sometimes in our desire to help out we end up talking over people rather than actually listening. I'm not saying you specifically are doing that because you're clearly trying to help, and your advice may well help some people, but there's always more people that aren't helped by it and they may feel talked down to by increasingly creative suggestions to a problem that could easily be solved by just killing the person that fails the QTE. That's it, they don't even need to remove it.

Sometimes just saying 'I hear you and I agree' is more helpful than trying to problem solve everything in detail, does that make sense?

[Lhunuial]

I think sometimes in our desire to help out we end up talking over people rather than actually listening. I'm not saying you specifically are doing that because you're clearly trying to help, and your advice may well help some people, but there's always more people that aren't helped by it and they may feel talked down to by increasingly creative suggestions to a problem that could easily be solved by just killing the person that fails the QTE. That's it, they don't even need to remove it.

Sometimes just saying 'I hear you and I agree' is more helpful than trying to problem solve everything in detail, does that make sense?

You know, that would actually help a great deal. Just hearing people say: I hear you and I agree. It would make me feel acknowledged and respected.

[Yencat]

You know, that would actually help a great deal. Just hearing people say: I hear you and I agree. It would make me feel acknowledged and respected.

Well then for what it's worth, I hear you and I agree There has to be a better solution than blocking people from finishing the MSQ over a QTE.

[Burado_T]

I can't follow this thread on a daily basis but people argue against each other just for the sake of it and it be like "well i can't" and the other is like "BUT WHY NOT HUH?!". There are some people that are legit trying to help but who cares right?"

Considering what you mentioned, you are not fully aware of the situation on the forum. I dare to mention everything. There are many good and mocking ideas, we will take into account the good ones, the ostolnoe flood. Ideas with any limb on the keyboard are real, but not for everyone (for various reasons). But this will already help some. The idea of ​​a special controller is also good, but only for those who use it on an ongoing basis and buying for the sake of one mechanic is an inexpedient waste, and not everyone has the finances or the controller itself in free sale in the country. But these are a few more people who already have it. As for the ideas with rhythm, I tried it and it still does not work for most of those experiencing problems, the result is 3-4 clicks per second, when the GCD has 1.8-2.4 (a big difference with the usual rotation). Therefore, the result at the moment is the idea: to rework the QTE under its old version as on Hades, or to let the player die without killing the party (for example, 6/8 players coped).
I hope that you will not see here snarky, I am just writing with facts.

[Cheremia]

This is a fillerpost as i'm at work and work picked up so i don't have time right now.

I will however, say it again: I am not defending the QTE in case that was somehow unclear.
And yes i do try too hard sometimes to understand things better.

And yes, there IS some "but it's not for everybody" and "well you don't get it" going on, which spams out LEGIT!! options and help. I'm aware of the post that lack all understanding and are like "haha just do that".
I'm pretty sure people are aware that it will NOT help everybody, at least I PERSONALLY am NOT talking in ABSOLUTES. So no, i'm not expecting that everything i say is absolute, in the right and everybody will benefit from it.

What i was trying to do was figure out how fast (3/4 times per second) you HAVE to actually mash, how people saying lightspeedtyping hurts helps in any way and to try to get maybe more compiled options for people that struggle.

WHich, i MENTION again does NOT mean that i'm defending the QTE itself. That is not what i mean. I find the wipe cool but i can find it cool while also not saying it needs to stay.

I don't want people with problems to be hated and flamed, either.

And yes, me mentioning my problems means in a way "i understand having problems". I get it. I do not understand how HARD the problems must be to fail this, for ME, easy QTE and thats why i was asking to begin with.

And Burado, i take that answer over "well i'll answer if..."
Facts work better on me, even if it sounds harsher

[Burado_T]

This is a fillerpost as i'm at work and work picked up so i don't have time right now.

I will however, say it again: I am not defending the QTE in case that was somehow unclear.
And yes i do try too hard sometimes to understand things better.

And yes, there IS some "but it's not for everybody" and "well you don't get it" going on, which spams out LEGIT!! options and help. I'm aware of the post that lack all understanding and are like "haha just do that".
I'm pretty sure people are aware that it will NOT help everybody, at least I PERSONALLY am NOT talking in ABSOLUTES. So no, i'm not expecting that everything i say is absolute, in the right and everybody will benefit from it.

What i was trying to do was figure out how fast (3/4 times per second) you HAVE to actually mash, how people saying lightspeedtyping hurts helps in any way and to try to get maybe more compiled options for people that struggle.

WHich, i MENTION again does NOT mean that i'm defending the QTE itself. That is not what i mean. I find the wipe cool but i can find it cool while also not saying it needs to stay.

I don't want people with problems to be hated and flamed, either.

And yes, me mentioning my problems means in a way "i understand having problems". I get it. I do not understand how HARD the problems must be to fail this, for ME, easy QTE and thats why i was asking to begin with.

And Burado, i take that answer over "well i'll answer if..."
Facts work better on me, even if it sounds harsher

I really didn't mean to offend you. And I never mentioned QTE in the context of your position, I just specifically wrote all the results that we have in our joint efforts to reduce the repetition list in your ideas, so that it would be easier if you suddenly can come up with something useful that was not. And I specifically described everything so that you understand the situation itself, no one is shouting here, we are just looking for a solution together.