No more QTE please.

[SoranRigel]

No, i'm not here to argue.
But, let me ask you this one question without being offended since this is out of pure curiousity (just a warning):

HOW hard do you mash the keys? And i mean people in general, everybody.

I failed the instance just yesterday because of a newbie and i told them that they can just normally type something or hit a few keys in a semi-fast rythm and it was no problem.
I hit 2 keys in the rythm of the clock in the background, i mashed the first time i did the QTE but i noticed that my mashing (on keyboard) will NOT keep it even half filled so i noticed that it's just pseudo struggle to make it suspenseful.

Please do NOT mash the ever living hell out of this QTE in the first place, you do not NEED too! You do NOT need to keep the bar filled a lot! The LOWER it gets, the EASIER it is!

No, i'm not saying that this will solve all and every problem. Like i said, not here to argue over can and can't. I'm just saying that you do not need to mash your everything out of this QTE since it seems like people are thinking that you need to mash extremely fast. But you don't.


Also if you say "i did slow and i failed" i would like to know where the limit of how slow you can be is then. While i don't care if the QTE stays as long as it is or gets shorter or whatever, knowing the speed COULD help some people.

In previous posts, some have already mentioned the "secret techniques" and that their study in any case should not affect the passage of the main story quest. The speed of "4 clicks per second" for 12 seconds can be difficult for the category of players I'm talking about. These solutions are not universal. We should not play the game of "who pushes the buttons faster", having initially unequal conditions for everyone. My scale didn’t go below 98%, but it was challenging and painful. I pressed the keys with both hands, 8 fingers. After that, my wrists hurt for a while.
Also, we have already mentioned the level at which you need to maintain the scale so that you do not get killed. Speed is important, unfortunately.

Advice aimed at people with no musculoskeletal problems does not work in this case. What we're talking about is that this "challenge" severely discriminates against players with motor impairments.

Also, this mechanic should not kill the entire party as a whole.

[Cheremia]

I will answer that when you try to press QTE in the rhythm of GCD and 1 press per second is not enough

No need to be snarky at me just because i'm asking questions.

In previous posts, some have already mentioned the "secret techniques" and that their study in any case should not affect the passage of the main story quest. The speed of "4 clicks per second" for 12 seconds can be difficult for the category of players I'm talking about. These solutions are not universal.

As i said, i'm not here to argue over it. And i never said that i'm the know all, i simply said what I personally do. If you can, so can i.

I can't follow this thread on a daily basis but people argue against each other just for the sake of it and it be like "well i can't" and the other is like "BUT WHY NOT HUH?!". There are some people that are legit trying to help but who cares right?

Trying to figure out HOW fast you actually have to be to not fail is a good thing to let people know. But it gets flooded away by people just arguing at each other about pretty useless things. 4 times a second is more than i though

Can the QTE be shorter? Yes.
Can the QTE make clearer how fast you actually need to mash? Yes.
Can the QTE be less "mashy"? Sure, i don't care
Can the QTE just kill the person that fails? I don't really care, i find the wipe cool because of what he says and how it just fades out. But in the end, like i said, don't care.

Also "Unfortunately, advice aimed at people with no musculoskeletal problems does not work in this case. What we're talking about is that this "challenge" severely discriminates against players with motor impairments."
Nani? You know why i ask questions? Exactly to make it clearer for people who ARE struggling.
If i struggle with something i also would like to know alternatives?

ESPECIALLY since people say they mash extreme piano style and it hurts (which you don't need to so i say you don't need to). How is telling people that you mashing the ever living hell out of your keyboard in extreme speeds hurt your hand helps those who can not mash even close to what you can do?

Telling me to roll my face on the keyboard would help me more than people telling me they go full hardcore Mozard on their keyboard and it hurts them.

But i also see that people TRYING to help gets swept away by "no no this is all wrong" too.

Arguing against me for asking questions will go where? You don't have that problem so you can't try to help people who do! Very helpful.
Like, there's people with problems sharing their experience and the moment it's not extremely negative it's like "GOOD on YOU, but this isn't about that and it's not for everybody!" If their experience isn't then this is all extremely useless.

I have other problems which most people will not understand like:
I personally am extremely bad at platformers and suffer under extreme "lose myself" syndrome when there are more than 2 things on screen moving. I also have Motion sickness. My reaction time is actually kind of slow so in fastgames i don't even react sometimes. I can not press multiple button at once and i can not type with 10 fingers because i can't stretch my fingers that far. Yes, that FAR. I'm a clicker in this game. Hitting multiple buttons in a row like in Mario odyssey fries my brain and makes me extremely anxious.
And yet i won't just go against everybody who tries to help me with any of those problems because "you don't have it, so you can't help"

[Enla]

And yet i won't just go against everybody who tries to help me with any of those problems because "you don't have it, so you can't help"

Problem here is that there's some jank inherent in this mechanic because when some of us do try the good faith suggestions they don't work. If it was just a case of misunderstanding how the mechanic is designed I don't think this topic would have gone half as long.

[Cheremia]

Problem here is that there's some jank inherent in this mechanic because when some of us do try the good faith suggestions they don't work. If it was just a case of misunderstanding how the mechanic is designed I don't think this topic would have gone half as long.

Yeah it's acting pretty weird sometimes as if it's affected by serverticks more so than other QTEs it FEELS like.

But it's really just people shooting everything down as soon as it's not something negative to say.

Like, why is rolling your arm over your keyboard such an extremely offensive suggestion? I don't know, i would rather try to find out how the QTE really works first.

[Yencat]

Like, why is rolling your arm over your keyboard such an extremely offensive suggestion? I don't know, i would rather try to find out how the QTE really works first.

I'm long past it now and it wasn't a struggle for me beyond not knowing who kept failing it several times in a row, but is a mechanic where you could hypothetically roll your arm over the keyboard to clear it really worth defending? It was a cool moment in the fight but the QTE itself feels like tedium just for the sake of it.

[Tint]

I was yesterday the first time in Shinryu Ex. The QTE there is extremely short, I finished it by mashing the square button on my controller only with 0.16 seconds left. When I started to roll my thumb around on the D-Pad and mashing the square button less hard at the same time I finished with over 3 seconds left.

So if you have a controller rolling the thumb around on the D-Pad instead of mashing buttons could help?

[SoranRigel]

And yet i won't just go against everybody who tries to help me with any of those problems because "you don't have it, so you can't help"

I didn't say that. I probably didn't make myself clear enough.
Advice "for healthy people" does not work, probably because they come from a lack of understanding of the problems of people with disabilities. If you scroll back through the topic, you will find some very interesting "recommendations": for example, one were seriously recommended to play here... legs. And the one who suggested it, for some reason, is still not banned (which in itself makes you think).

I also suspect that any advice on how to "get around" the awkward mechanic does not address the most important problem: the problem of the existence of this mechanic. And the only effective way out here is to change this mechanic so that it ceases to be problematic.

[Cheremia]

I'm long past it now and it wasn't a struggle for me beyond not knowing who kept failing it several times in a row, but is a mechanic where you could hypothetically roll your arm over the keyboard to clear it really worth defending? It was a cool moment in the fight but the QTE itself feels like tedium just for the sake of it.

No?

Can the QTE be shorter? Yes.
Can the QTE make clearer how fast you actually need to mash? Yes.
Can the QTE be less "mashy"? Sure, i don't care
Can the QTE just kill the person that fails? I don't really care, i find the wipe cool because of what he says and how it just fades out. But in the end, like i said, don't care.

Did i say the QTE needs to stay? No.

I said, knowing how slow you can go will help people that struggle with it instead of saying that abusing your keyboard at lightning speed also hurts your hand very much.
And yes, in that context, telling them that you COULD roll other parts of your body over your keyboard probably helps more.

WHich is more helpful?
"maybe try this?"
or
"i did this really fast thing and it also hurt my hand. A lot"

I didn't say that. I probably didn't make myself clear enough.
Advice "for healthy people" does not work, probably because they come from a lack of understanding of the problems of people with disabilities. If you scroll back through the topic, you will find some very interesting "recommendations": for example, one were seriously recommended to play here... legs. And the one who suggested it, for some reason, is still not banned (which in itself makes you think).

I also suspect that any advice on how to "get around" the awkward mechanic does not address the most important problem: the problem of the existence of this mechanic. And the only effective way out here is to change this mechanic so that it ceases to be problematic.

I see. I didn't intend to come across as any way offensive anyways but asking questions and trying to understand can come across as ruder than i want to sometimes. Since really, i am NOT arguing FOR the QTE and not AGAINST people that have problems.
But trying to give advice still helps more than always saying "What do you MaAn i should try something else?"

Dunno about the foot person but rolling ellbow/arm (head is extreme but was just a silly example from me) is an alternative which probably keeps your hands painless and IF you ever have to do the fight again. This might be the better option than trying to mash even faster because some people mash extremely fast. Which you still don't have to do

[SoranRigel]

I was yesterday the first time in Shinryu Ex. The QTE there is extremely short, I finished it by mashing the square button on my controller only with 0.16 seconds left. When I started to roll my thumb around on the D-Pad and mashing the square button less hard at the same time I finished with over 3 seconds left.

So if you have a controller rolling the thumb around on the D-Pad instead of mashing buttons could help?

Please don't tell players to buy controllers just to make a QTE: we bought this game to play the keyboard.

[Cheremia]

Please don't tell players to buy controllers just to make a QTE: we bought this game to play the keyboard.

See, here again.

I know WHAT you mean. Not trying to be mean here...

But they CLEARLY SAID

"IF YOU HAVE A CONTROLLER"
Which clearly is an option for controller people.


I also can give an option: Putting your Palm on your keyboard and making circles with it.