Regarding Firmament Titles For 5.3

[affenmensch]

you underestimated the achievement hunter community
there will be a lot player that will get top12 even if they had the titels already like me

[Lecru]

you underestimated the achievement hunter community
there will be a lot player that will get top12 even if they had the titels already like me

And again. Those points you chase do NOTHING. They give you NOTHING and aren't publicly shown. Nor do people go looking for them. But you're saying you'll basically take something from somebody who doesn't have what you have (the title) for this useless show of numbers. That's scummier than the people that would have shown up and grabbed the new titles even if they had the first ones had they ended up adding new ones. Any other content that's fine, hunt away. But this type of play is cringe

[geetarkev]

And again. Those points you chase do NOTHING. They give you NOTHING and aren't publicly shown. Nor do people go looking for them. But you're saying you'll basically take something from somebody who doesn't have what you have (the title) for this useless show of numbers. That's scummier than the people that would have shown up and grabbed the new titles even if they had the first ones had they ended up adding new ones. Any other content that's fine, hunt away. But this type of play is cringe

If anyone is taking anything from anyone then the blame is on SE for setting up the parameters for the rankings in this way. They could easily prevent the previous title holders from being eligible to get the season 3 achievement, but they have decided against it and even condoned people doing it multiple times in their Lodestone post.

[affenmensch]

And again. Those points you chase do NOTHING. They give you NOTHING and aren't publicly shown. Nor do people go looking for them. But you're saying you'll basically take something from somebody who doesn't have what you have (the title) for this useless show of numbers. That's scummier than the people that would have shown up and grabbed the new titles even if they had the first ones had they ended up adding new ones. Any other content that's fine, hunt away. But this type of play is cringe

achievment hunting is nothing new, yeah its not public unless you open your achievements and you go to a leaderboard pages
but thats how ppl play their games, there a re a lot of achievment players out there in all kind of games, and in MMOs there are the most of achievement hunter

we can play the game hower we want, i dont tell you either how you should play the game, so let us achievment hunter get them
just saying that the decision they made now is sad for all players that want the titels, because there will be ALOT of players that will do them even if they had the titel
if its not your playstyle and you dont understand this, its ok, but it will be the case

[Lecru]

achievment hunting is nothing new, yeah its not public unless you open your achievements and you go to a leaderboard pages
but thats how ppl play their games, there a re a lot of achievment players out there in all kind of games, and in MMOs there are the most of achievement hunter

we can play the game hower we want, i dont tell you either how you should play the game, so let us achievment hunter get them
just saying that the decision they made now is sad for all players that want the titels, because there will be ALOT of players that will do them even if they had the titel
if its not your playstyle and you dont understand this, its ok, but it will be the case

Here's the thing though. You're actively sitting here going "I feel so bad for those who won't get titles because of hunters. Me? Nah forget those kids. I'm still doing it. I just feel bad". You just. SImply don't do it. That's it. Easy as that. It's what, 10 points at most. That's it. Period. Don't do it. lol Just like many of us stated we weren't going to do it even IF there were new titles. We didn't sit here and contradict ourselves lmfao But I most certainly will sit here and call you out on that flip flop

[Ashiee]

achievment hunting is nothing new, yeah its not public unless you open your achievements and you go to a leaderboard pages
but thats how ppl play their games, there a re a lot of achievment players out there in all kind of games, and in MMOs there are the most of achievement hunter

we can play the game hower we want, i dont tell you either how you should play the game, so let us achievment hunter get them
just saying that the decision they made now is sad for all players that want the titels, because there will be ALOT of players that will do them even if they had the titel
if its not your playstyle and you dont understand this, its ok, but it will be the case

Exactly, as long as it's an achievements and points associated with it, I will be doing the new season. While for the majority of people, it's just the Title that is the goal, for myself and a handful of people, the achievements and the points have always been the main goal.

That being said, there are only a handful of us who will be going purely for achievements/points so hopefully this change to keep the title the same will give more people a chance. I personally only know like 4-5 people who are really into achievement hunting and that's it.

I would rather them have not added any type of new achievement at all... but I'm glad that they did make at least a small change. I think it will cut out the majority of people who were thinking they would have to do this content a second time.

[Jojoya]

Exactly, as long as it's an achievements and points associated with it, I will be doing the new season.

Out of curiosity, how would you feel if the achievement reward 0 points (that's something that WoW has done on occasion depending on the achievement type)? Would the achievement become less interesting or even completely irrelevant to you?

[Ashiee]

Out of curiosity, how would you feel if the achievement reward 0 points (that's something that WoW has done on occasion depending on the achievement type)? Would the achievement become less interesting or even completely irrelevant to you?

That is an interesting question. If it was on the list as an invisible achievement (kinda like the Rhyme & Region 2018 achievements) and worth 0 points, I'm pretty sure I can get my broken brain to not care about it. If it was a 0 point achievement like the ones under Character > Commendation tab, where I would see it greyed out if it wasn't complete, I would care.

I say this knowing that invisible point based achievements I have not gotten yet do bug me a lot. I'm currently missing a lot of the invisible ranked PVP achievements where it's eating at me that I have not gotten them yet. If those were also worth 0 points... I think I wouldn't care nearly as much.

[Espritduo]

And again. Those points you chase do NOTHING. They give you NOTHING and aren't publicly shown. Nor do people go looking for them. But you're saying you'll basically take something from somebody who doesn't have what you have (the title) for this useless show of numbers. That's scummier than the people that would have shown up and grabbed the new titles even if they had the first ones had they ended up adding new ones. Any other content that's fine, hunt away. But this type of play is cringe

Saying "I don't get what's so great about achievements, therefore nobody should care about them" is a pretty lame argument. Imagine the angry mob if I said that about RP? PVP? Savage raiding? Honestly pretty disappointing seeing the creator of this thread with that kind of mentality...