Regarding Firmament Titles For 5.3

**Jojoya** · 08-29-2020 07:27 PM

I'm still glad SE is sticking to their word and keeping the title the same for those who want it but didn't get it the first time around, just as SE had originally told us would happen.

Considering how many players liked the Saint Ascendant title, maybe SE should use that as a reward for players who rank in multiple seasons. It seems a lot more appropriate as a title for a meta achievement than a single ranking season. Those who want that specific title bad enough could then put in the effort to get try to earn it. Not everyone who ranked before cares to try again so there will still be room for new players to earn their Saint of the Firmament achievement.

Originally Posted by TDHCincy

I saw the announcement today but no mention of the other achievements just the ranking ones. Any idea on how that is gonna work with the Nest's own ones?

I got a Saint of the firmament but didnt really mess with the other titles.

I hope they give you the option to enter Diadem and collect grade 2 mats so you can still get them after the fact. I want to go for them all, but I dont think that's possible. Especially the Miner and Botanist ones.

They haven't announced anything about whether the Grade 2 materials will still be on the nodes so players can continue to work on the Height achievements. I would imagine crafters would still be able to work on them using approved materials already acquired before 5.31's release. Gatherers would be out of luck if the materials are removed from the nodes, though.

At the least, I expect another set of achievements for the new phase with a new set of themed titles.

**Alexandre_Noireau** · 08-30-2020 04:54 AM

No title, achievement or reward should be tied to time restrictions at all like this.
Let alone a ranking that rewards a miniscule part of the population. Or in case of being, this would have to be reseting constantly and allowing new players to get into it and now allowing re-completion.

This is the same problem with PvP and those seasonal rewards no one will ever get, except for those who were there on time.

All achievements, rewards and titles should be linked to two things only: Skill and dedication. Dedication implies time and skill requieres time, but not an arbitrary time frame that just enforces discrimination (exclusivity) and ends up making many player feeling like not even attempting or caring about content if they are not even getting the rewards they want. Want exclusivity? Give NPCs timeframes where they rewards only "ranking firsts" and then after a few iterations of said content, open it up again, repeat it, rotate it and ultimately just open it to regular/accesible currencies.

I missed the first reconstruction, i'm not even interested in this one just because i know i have absolutely no chance of getting the titles, i'm a mastercrafter mind you, i'm just also a teacher who is very busy and cannot dedicate all the time in the world to grind out this in a single race. Let me get it in 2 more years. Like the only mounts i ever cared about and no one can get anymore cause they are stuck in whatever season of pvp they were in.

Yeah, it sucks to know there is something no matter how much skill or dedication i put into the game i would not get just because i "missed it".
That sounds a lot like a real life thing that is particulary sucky and i don't like replicated in a videogame. This is the kind of exclusivity that sucks, that just descriminates and discourages players.

**Ckside** · 09-01-2020 12:27 AM

As someone who earned double saint on a populated server, i'm disappointed in the lack of a new title. Even a new title to layer on top of those who already acquired Saint to show that our "mettle" was worth it. A leaderboard ranking is meant for competition and without a motivating reward then the competition will be sparse. Meaning an influx of less competitive players and diluting the value of the current title.

It's my wish that a reward beyond an Achievement is given to those that gain a second Saint title. A way to recognize the players that poured great amounts of effort into the restoration of Ishgard through all the phases.

**Ketu** · 09-01-2020 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Ckside

As someone who earned double saint on a populated server, i'm disappointed in the lack of a new title. Even a new title to layer on top of those who already acquired Saint to show that our "mettle" was worth it. A leaderboard ranking is meant for competition and without a motivating reward then the competition will be sparse. Meaning an influx of less competitive players and diluting the value of the current title.

It's my wish that a reward beyond an Achievement is given to those that gain a second Saint title. A way to recognize the players that poured great amounts of effort into the restoration of Ishgard through all the phases.

100% agree with this!

**axemtitanium** · 09-02-2020 04:21 AM

From https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...67cca205b3d940

The titles awarded to top players, “Saint of the Firmament” and “Beatus of the Firmament” are the same as those awarded during the rankings held at the release of Patch 5.21. Please note, however, that because they will be treated as separate titles, players who earn them will see two instances of them when viewing acquired titles in-game.

This hacky solution feels like the worst of both worlds. Achievement hunters will still clog up the top rankings because you made a new achievement and their reward is seeing two of the same title in your title log. A better all around solution would have been just have no new achievement and let new players earn the old one if they hit a top rank.

**Watchit** · 09-02-2020 04:40 AM

I think the best solution would be to have different titles for each "season" but have multiple rounds of ranking in each "season". Instead of only one 10 day period every 3~ish months (or 6~ish months this time, but that's not the developers fault).

This is how I thought it was originally gonna be handled during the first Skybuilder rankings, up until a week or so after it ended and no other ranking period was scheduled. I was content with my top 100 place and I'd just try for the top 12 another time, but this time around I won't bother I think.

**Lecru** · 09-13-2020 08:21 PM

I really hope you guys are getting at least in the 12. But from the amount of botting and third party/account sharing i'm seeing on the boards. This shit is rough. Not to mention them, what it seem slike, over turning the crafts. Good luck al

**KageTokage** · 09-13-2020 09:11 PM

I don't want them adding more meaningful rewards until they actually sort out the issues with the cheaters.

The only reason there isn't more of them is likely just because a simple title reward isn't appealing enough.

**Lecru** · 09-15-2020 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by KageTokage

I don't want them adding more meaningful rewards until they actually sort out the issues with the cheaters.

The only reason there isn't more of them is likely just because a simple title reward isn't appealing enough.

There's a problem within the boards themselves. Cross World isn't helping that either. As they bot all day, and have alts they bounce around on a spare account to sell on every server on a DC. It's absurd

**Alexandre_Noireau** · 09-16-2020 08:20 AM

This ranking system is a dissaster.
Remove it entirely.
Make diferent titles and achievements.
Make them a personal achievement, no competition of any kind involed.

Maybe add something really interesting like Collaborative crafting/gathering. Why there are no Gathering FATE's or Crafting FATE's yet. We should be crafting on a floating island in the diadem.

This is seriously even worse than attempting to make the feast an e-sport, rankings are awful design for non-competitive games, time locks are also awful. Some people have endless time, others don't, time is not a good measure bar. I want these titles, crafting a single item a month for 10 years from now. And i should be able to get it.

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