No more QTE please.

[Hatfright]

It could very well be that you're not trying the technique, though. It's going to be at least until next patch before they remove anything (if they remove anything at all) so bitching about me offering tips/solutions is just refusing help at this point.

Don't get me wrong, but there was literally pages of said tip in one form or another. It works for some, it doesn't for others. Repiting it wont make it suddenly work for everyone, but if you're genuine intention was to help, I appreciate it.
While yes, we're not about to see any changes till next patch (which might make people unable to continue MSQ till then), we might as well keep SE aware of the issue.

[hydralus]

Don't get me wrong, but there was literally pages of said tip in one form or another. It works for some, it doesn't for others. Repiting it wont make it suddenly work for everyone, but if you're genuine intention was to help, I appreciate it.
While yes, we're not about to see any changes till next patch (which might make people unable to continue MSQ till then), we might as well keep SE aware of the issue.

I think a lot of people are unaware you just have to press any buttons on the keyboard/controller so it could very well be the difference. But yeah, still agree they should change it just for the fact you can troll the whole group at the moment.

[RajNish]

It could very well be that you're not trying the technique, though. It's going to be at least until next patch before they remove anything (if they remove anything at all) so bitching about me offering tips/solutions is just refusing help at this point. If joint pain is an issue then gliding your fingers across the pad or keyboard should be pretty effective. It's how I button spammed for other games.

I mean I agree they should make it so one person failing doesn't mean everyone should fail (or maybe they can just get rid of ATEs all together) but who knows how long it could take them to change it?

Sadly, the problem is, "gliding your fingers across the pad or keyboard" doesn't work for everyone. If a person has a lack of coordination for some reason, QTE may easily fail. That is why I say that despite all attempts to somehow complete this task, all these tips are not universal. What works for one may fail for another. Therefore, I propose to change it towards other old QTEs, not to wipe the whole group.

Here, other players mentioned a really heroic guy who plays with his mouth and face, I saw the video. But the problem is that it is not safe. While he is young, everything may be fine, but after a dozen years, believe me, he will have serious problems with the cervical vertebrae, maxillary joints and the trigeminal nerve.

And all this is because so far the gaming industry is very poorly adapted for people with disabilities. In some cases, there is simply no appropriate technical means, so people are forced to adapt as best they can. But if we are talking about a small change in game mechanics like this QTE, then this could be reworked, without the need to force players to play with their face, mouth, legs and other parts of the body that are clearly not suitable for this.

[Xtrasweettea]

I am probably going to get railed by the forum community for this, but I don't care at this point. What is said on here isn't life impactful anyway...

This is good for you and I am glad you managed to solve the problem. But, as we see, this method is not suitable for everyone.

That's understandable. I was sharing my experience, since I would rather find a solution myself over complaining and waiting on something else to solve it. Everyone is different and there is no one-sized fits all solution from the player-base side of things. Not everyone has options available, or cannot see those options for whatever reason.

From what I can tell, though, based on your response and most of the vocal complainers, you don't want player-based solutions, you want SE to adjust the QTE for you.

Which, that's fine. The QTE, even when looking for hints on how to handle this specific QTE, doesn't give you anything. The button mashing and key-board smashing can be resolved if there were better clues given during the event. The QTE could be cleaned up a bit.

What is not fine is people who are failing, but do not have a disability, and are concern trolling about disabled people for changes from SE. I am sure there's people within this thread who are concern trolling and legitimately don't care about people with disabilities or deficiencies. They only care about themselves. I can guarantee that if SE removed the wipe condition, this thread will die, complainers will stop, and the people who would legitimately fail due to disability or deficiency would be left holding the bag... again. The same people speaking on the "behalf" of disabled people will be the ones telling those same disabled people to just die and let them get raised, it's a normal trial, it's not savage, etc. Never-mind the feelings and desires of people with actual disabilities who want to pass the QTE post nerf.

By the way: this post took an hour to type because I needed to take breaks for my hands. I cannot write with a pencil without pain. When using scissors or tools, I have to be ambidextrous so I don't exhaust my hands too quickly. I have had, all my life, terrible fine motor skills. This is not including other physical disabilities I have.

[redheadturk]

For me [I speak as someone who was literally in pain after clearing the trial and I too have terrible fine motor skills/coordination] I would be fine with them removing the wipe mech because even if I fail it, I get raised and move on, it isn't a big. The wipe mech, *for me* is the biggest issue with it because I don't feel my entire party should be punished if I or another team member with disabilities fail the thing.

But I can see how some of the others might not feel that way and that is completely understandable.

[RajNish]

I am probably going to get railed by the forum community for this, but I don't care at this point. What is said on here isn't life impactful anyway...

I can understand your point of view as a person with physical problems who has played hard content in another game for a long time. People told me that I couldn't do something, but I did. But that was my personal choice. And it was hard content. And also there people used the DPS meter and the GCD was reduced to 1.3 seconds. And you know, it was difficult for me (people asked why I can't hit keys as fast as they do, because it's so easy, or why I'm a clicker, because clickers suck players, so they said), but I chose this path myself.

Here people don't choose, they just want their story. Yes, without difficulties and without the need to go through pain and prove something to someone. They are forced to overcome physical, rather than game, difficulties, moreover, in a regular story quest. And this is the essential difference.

[Alleo]

Big edit: lol wait didn't Hades have this too?

How did anyone get past Hades but not be able to do this?

I dont remember that everybody had to do the mechanic in the Susanno fight?

Also lets remember that Hades worked like any other QTE...if you mess up you die..not the whole group..which is exactly the point a few of us are trying to make..they made it faster (looking) and with the punishment of death for the whole group..all of that did not happen before..yet people were seemingly fine with the older QTEs not being as punishing..and now some are up in arms if people just want to change it to the old way of only killing them..

[Tamhas]

I am probably going to get railed by the forum community for this, but I don't care at this point. What is said on here isn't life impactful anyway...
That's understandable. I was sharing my experience, since I would rather find a solution myself over complaining and waiting on something else to solve it. Everyone is different and there is no one-sized fits all solution from the player-base side of things. Not everyone has options available, or cannot see those options for whatever reason.
From what I can tell, though, based on your response and most of the vocal complainers, you don't want player-based solutions, you want SE to adjust the QTE for you.

As I said, this solution may be useful for someone. The question is what should do players who can`t take advantage of this solution? Someone has difficulty using the controller for physical reasons. Someone does not want to buy additional devices for 12 seconds of QTE from the principle and has the right to this. But all players, no matter what problems they have, are forced to go through uncomfortable and painful mechanics if they want to go further in the plot. No choice. Let's present the dilemma with QTE in the form of scales: on one cup overcoming through pain or connecting the device, on the other - returning QTE to the previous look (without wipe of the whole party). In the second case, imho, the game will not lose anything. Scene with a union of players can be represented in another way.

[SoranRigel]

So, I also completed this content today and can say this:
for someone who has learned to play the piano and types very quickly, with both hands, 12 seconds of this nightmare is very painful. Very.
I can only imagine how much of a problem this is for people whose hands hurt.

There is nothing to argue about here.
This is not high-level content for a select few. This is just a story quest. And that needs to be changed.

[Burado_T]

I really like how people get banned because they consider a person a troll, when the person herself really ignores all the facts and the complaint, and even when they blame people with disabilities with fakes under the guise of a disabled person. What is slander, does not receive a ban, because is still present in the discussion, and also does not bring any conclusions and only floods and whines for saving the terrible mechanics. In general, this reminds me of the SE scandal associated with the start of the SB when, 30 days after the release of the addon, the subscription price for Brazil and Russia was sharply increased. The Americans then defended these two regions and were able to win, but many of them left the game, like N.A. and Canadians. SE either does not know how to check GM's here or they just don't want to.