Housing Ownership Restrictions

[Arielen]

Anyway that's what I meant yesterday when I said that no one demonizes you and that you do it yourself. You literally just tried to tell a Japanese person what Japanese people are like and I don't know if my pity outweighs my resentment and disgust right this second.

Anyway, my condolences to Miminming who is trying to contribute to a conversation and gets talked over. I have some questions of my own for you after speaking with some other players from the JP server on discord: do you think that the current housing prices are too high for how much money people make?

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tldr for Penthea it seems like you've caught the idiot brain rot fungus of being racist and trying very hard to rationalize it, please shut up forever about "cultural differences"

[Catstab]

Are you suggesting [My FC, who tried very hard to get to Shirogane housing] should be compensated for their efforts?

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying quite clearly that no one who had success with their efforts should have the rewards of that success removed. The people who got houses before your FC did deserve to keep those houses. Your FC deserves another chance at more houses. Thus, new wards. And ta-da, we are back at the point that: the solution is new wards.

Besides, the house itself [That I want taken away from you so I can have it instead] is not a reward. You complete no quests to get it, you just walk over to the placard and pay for it. In other words, it's an item. Yes, you can do a lot with it, but at the end of the day, it's no different to your character than your chocobo.

You've directly contradicted yourself with this statement. Your FC wants "compensation for their efforts" in the form of a house. Yet a house is not "a reward?" Without looking up the definition of "reward" for you, I can confidently say that if you receive something fun as a result of you committing time, effort, and resources: that something is a reward.

So [if we both agree that owners of multiple personal houses are not causing this problem] then please explain why it's acceptable to have more than one personal house per service account. And no, "because they were grandfathered in" is not a valid reason here.

As I originally said, and as you agreed with: the people who own alt houses are not causing this problem. Why is it acceptable? Because it is perfectly within the game rules for those alts to own houses, and because they aren't hurting anyone. You've already agreed with me on this point. Let's move on, please.

So... why not [Punish a couple hundred owners of alt-houses in order to] increase the number of players able to participate [by a couple hundred, of the 20,000+ who are waiting]?

Again, the answer to the question you ask was in my post. You want to punish a couple hundred players who are loyal to ff14 and very invested in the game, so that this problem gets 1% to 3% better. That is no solution at all, and actively hurts current players that SE values. Meanwhile, 6 new wards would reduce the problem by closer to 10% and hurt absolutely no one. It's objectively a better solution.

The only complete solutions that will 100% fix the problem are: 80 new wards or instanced housing for all. SE has done the math and determined that killing .5% of players interest in the game is not the solution to housing 1% of the homeless.

[Kenky]

It's almost like the Japanese aren't being selfish about the matter....

Dude, you need to drop this. Demonizing a natural part of human nature (At least in the western world) is not going to win anybody over to your side. Plenty of people are taught from childhood that stuff is all that matters. People continue to compare their stuff with other peoples stuff and always finding themselves lacking. It's a difference of societal norms and what is accepted / not accepted.

Or, in a way you'll understand. Japan doesn't like to stir the pot, whereas America never lets go of the damn ladle. Bit on the nose, but it's legitimately what materialism is and guess which countries have such a standard as the norm? Now look at all those countries and see just where all the complaints and drama is coming from?

[Barraind]

The biggest reason for the difference between the two environments is

... that JP has 25% more housing for a smaller population.

They have a full datacenter more worlds combined on their 3 clusters, and the servers lock for character creation at a lower number than NA.

[Almagnus1]

<a whole ton of lies and self projection against arguments I never made after putting words in my mouth>

Thank you for showing why it's a massive waste of time trying to talk with you as you have zero interest in a civil discussion and are only here to start a fight.

Dude, you need to drop this. Demonizing a natural part of human nature (At least in the western world) is not going to win anybody over to your side. Plenty of people are taught from childhood that stuff is all that matters. People continue to compare their stuff with other peoples stuff and always finding themselves lacking. It's a difference of societal norms and what is accepted / not accepted.

Or, in a way you'll understand. Japan doesn't like to stir the pot, whereas America never lets go of the damn ladle. Bit on the nose, but it's legitimately what materialism is and guess which countries have such a standard as the norm? Now look at all those countries and see just where all the complaints and drama is coming from?

The US is an exceedingly diverse place, so don't assume just because you were taught that as a kid it's universal across the US.

... that JP has 25% more housing for a smaller population.

They have a full datacenter more worlds combined on their 3 clusters, and the servers lock for character creation at a lower number than NA.

Well, that explains why the solution of adding more wards is a Sisyphean solution.

[Catstab]

Thank you for showing why it's a massive waste of time trying to talk with you as you have zero interest in a civil discussion and are only here to start a fight.

I put zero words in your mouth and told zero lies. You would appear to be the one looking for a fight, launching accusations like those. The bracketed text just gives context to each of the quotes of mine you were responding to.

I refuted every one of your points. I'm saying your suggestion is a bad solution to the problem. If you read and understood my previous post, that should be obvious to you now.

To repeat what I said earlier: I have only been civil. My only point is "taking in game rewards away from people who earned them is anti fun, and will not be done." You know this to be true, that's why you aren't arguing, you're just claiming I'm being uncivil, which is ridiculous. If you can refute that point, please do so. If you can't, kindly stop bumping this thread and let the bad suggestion die.

[Kenky]

The US is an exceedingly diverse place, so don't assume just because you were taught that as a kid it's universal across the US.

As is the UK and most of Europe (which arguably is much more diverse than the U.S) yet guess who is also complaining that they can't get what they want when they want it? I mean, you can try and refute the country's ever-hungering greed by saying you don't do it, or don't condone it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Greed runs the Western World and that isn't likely to change.

I would assume people could be adults and maybe not attack each other for pointless things, yet every day I am disappointed. Your previous comment to Catstab being laughably pitiful. You get called out and instead of taking the defeat, you act as if you're the victim.

Grow up and maybe, just maybe.. If you stop being the typical pot-stirrer, maybe people would care about what you say instead of point out your flaws and laugh at you.

[Miminming]

Anyway that's what I meant yesterday when I said that no one demonizes you and that you do it yourself. You literally just tried to tell a Japanese person what Japanese people are like and I don't know if my pity outweighs my resentment and disgust right this second.

Anyway, my condolences to Miminming who is trying to contribute to a conversation and gets talked over. I have some questions of my own for you after speaking with some other players from the JP server on discord: do you think that the current housing prices are too high for how much money people make?

edit:
tldr for Penthea it seems like you've caught the idiot brain rot fungus of being racist and trying very hard to rationalize it, please shut up forever about "cultural differences"

No, the current housing price is.extremely kind, the jp server use the coffee cookies levequest to make gil and you literaly get quite an amount of free gil every week i dunno if this method is a boom in other server or not...

[Penthea]

When you try to explain to a person what their own country's culture is like from your outsider perspective, it comes across as very, very racist.

This absolutely was not intended to be racist and if someone was offended about what I said I do sincerely apologise. I merely wanted to point out that Japanese culture is so different to the west. It's not entirely better or worse, it's just very different.

I'm not a fan of the idea that "oh look these people don't complain as much about X therefore X isn't as bad as we think" or "these people react in X way, therefore others should too". No specific culture, data centre region, data centre or server is the the most true indication of the state of anything in the game, the players' opinion about it, or how players should act. The person I quoted essentially said "the players on JP servers have a better understanding of how housing is supposed to work and this is why they complain less" which I felt was an attempt to invalidate how those elsewhere act and feel.

If a problem is bigger in one place than another that doesn't mean there is something quite wrong with how the majority of people act there. It can mean the problem is more obvious because of how they tend to vent their frustrations and/or their different population makes said problem have different effects on them.

Also just because a person complains a lot about something does not mean they don't know how it works, it can simply mean they disagree with it.

Again I sincerely apologise if I offended anyone. What I said was not done with the intention of any malice.

[Almagnus1]

I put zero words in your mouth and told zero lies.

No, you put words in my mouth when you edited my quotes to insert your own opinions, and then proceeded to argue against that fabrication as if I had said that, instead of actually addressing what I had said.

And to be honest Don Quixote, I don't need to read the rest of your post because you have nothing to contribute to this conversation.

As is the UK and most of Europe (which arguably is much more diverse than the U.S) yet guess who is also complaining that they can't get what they want when they want it? I mean, you can try and refute the country's ever-hungering greed by saying you don't do it, or don't condone it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Greed runs the Western World and that isn't likely to change.

Capitalism =/= Greed.

That said, capitalism needs morality otherwise it becomes incredibly destructive.

You get called out and instead of taking the defeat, you act as if you're the victim.

You can't defeat someone by lying about what they have said, as the only person that was "defeated" there was Castab when they fell on their own sword with their hypocrisy.

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Here's what Castab inserted that showed him to be an incredibly dishonest person: