No more QTE please.

[RajNish]

I'd like to actually hear from someone with a physical disability directly related to failure of this trial rather than having us theorycrafting about what sorts of problems they have. So far there's been a few people who have mentioned they have physical pain due to this, but I haven't seen their response regarding a (fairly cheap) tool that would help immensely. For ANY game, not just FFXIV.

You obviously did not read the discussion from the very beginning, instead of theorycrafting. So real quotes from real people:

I've tried. My hands start hurting by the time it really matters to push the buttons and then I can't keep it up. If I'm having a good day I can do it, but if my symptoms act up then I'm not able to do it. One of my friends is also not able to do it once she's taken her meds, because they slow her reaction time.

Controllers feel really awkward to me. I played FFXV on my laptop too. I've only ever played Nintendo's Wii for a short while, oh and GameCube. Controllers just feel weird to me. I always press the wrong buttons. Although I was decent at MarioKart. Smash Brothers was fun too, but not too long.

At least in my case I've done Savage, I've done almost all the Extremes (haven't done the current one as I'm waiting for my static to get the urge to do it), I almost never have an issue playing this game in any capacity because of the way this game has it's GCD timings set up. I can rest my hand between each button press and so long as I'm not whacking the keys like an idiot, I almost never have an issue. Hell while there are classes in this game that are hard on the hands like MCH, the vast majority of them do not cause repetitive stress build up on the joints because most of this game isn't set up in such a way that button mashing is necessary. Barring of course a few unskilled QTE sections that are the outliers and not the rules in content. That's like saying that because you can't do a 100 yard sprint that you aren't capable of walking every once in awhile and is so laughably absurd it's comical.

Quick, repetitive stress motions are different from clicking a button every two seconds, with the occasional weave. The latter I can do with some athletics tape to stabilize my wrists and the occasional pain pill. The former I'm in tears over because it's actually causing a stress injury.

Still not enough?

[Enla]

You obviously did not read the discussion from the very beginning, instead of theorycrafting. So real quotes from real person:

And I've posted about it as well, in that I don't like the implication of needing to buy a controller for a game I've already put money into. Particularly when before my tried and true method for avoiding pain was legitimately until a good time after any game's release to find out how accessible it really is and subsequently avoid any that didn't meet fairly benign standards. That feels fairly insidious to me to say 'well just go buy some expensive merch because you're not going to stop playing over one QTE'. When conversely the game could literally just go back to the standard it was keeping before hand and not cause me to shell out extra money just on the off-handed chance I get stuck in that trial again.

It's also just flat out bad game design and admitting as such when you say 'well just use this outside service to get through this mechanic'. I shouldn't have to shell out money for a new controller I'll never use in any other circumstances (because again I do actually research what games have horrible accessibility standards and don't give them my money) or download an autoclicker just to get through it.

[RajNish]

And I've posted about it as well, in that I don't like the implication of needing to buy a controller for a game I've already put money into. Particularly when before my tried and true method for avoiding pain was legitimately until a good time after any game's release to find out how accessible it really is and subsequently avoid any that didn't meet fairly benign standards. That feels fairly insidious to me to say 'well just go buy some expensive merch because you're not going to stop playing over one QTE'. When conversely the game could literally just go back to the standard it was keeping before hand and not cause me to shell out extra money just on the off-handed chance I get stuck in that trial again.

It's also just flat out bad game design and admitting as such when you say 'well just use this outside service to get through this mechanic'. I shouldn't have to shell out money for a new controller I'll never use in any other circumstances (because again I do actually research what games have horrible accessibility standards and don't give them my money) or download an autoclicker just to get through it.

You know, I get a kind of surreal feeling when healthy people offer players with disabilities to make additional investments of money or use third-party programs in order to complete the damn story quest. I also find it strange that some of these people set in the profile low lvl undergeared twinks (almost anonymous) to hide themselves. To be honest, for me it looks like some kind of mockery.

The first question I asked a friend who invited me to this game was about accessibility. Before 5.3, I had no problems even with hard content. The actual EX trials do not cause such discomfort to me as this QTE. And I still can't figure out why the developers haven't tested this part for accessibility.

[Gula]

And I've posted about it as well, in that I don't like the implication of needing to buy a controller for a game I've already put money into. Particularly when before my tried and true method for avoiding pain was legitimately until a good time after any game's release to find out how accessible it really is and subsequently avoid any that didn't meet fairly benign standards. That feels fairly insidious to me to say 'well just go buy some expensive merch because you're not going to stop playing over one QTE'. When conversely the game could literally just go back to the standard it was keeping before hand and not cause me to shell out extra money just on the off-handed chance I get stuck in that trial again.

It's also just flat out bad game design and admitting as such when you say 'well just use this outside service to get through this mechanic'. I shouldn't have to shell out money for a new controller I'll never use in any other circumstances (because again I do actually research what games have horrible accessibility standards and don't give them my money) or download an autoclicker just to get through it.

Imagine saying you shouldn't have to pay extra for heat/air conditioning because you already paid money for a house.

If you can spend some cash on video games, you should (or at least I think) reasonably be ok with forking over a few extra dollars to make the experience better for yourself. I own the game on PC, but I like playing controller. Ergo, I purchased a real Microsoft controller for its weight and how it feels in my hands versus a cheaper, general controller. You buy salt and sugar for food to give it the flavor you want regardless of what pre-made meal you purchase from the store. You buy in soles to make shoes fit more comfortably despite spending money on the shoe. The list goes on but the point is the same. You are standing in the rain here, letting yourself get wet when buying an umbrella is not the end of the world. And many places offer return services. Did you consider finding a store that allows full refund returns? I know I have ordered packages that come with return stickers.

And if money is that much of a concern, then do you honestly think subscribing to an mmo is the right choice?

[RajNish]

Imagine saying you shouldn't have to pay extra for heat/air conditioning because you already paid money for a house.

If you can spend some cash on video games, you should (or at least I think) reasonably be ok with forking over a few extra dollars to make the experience better for yourself. I own the game on PC, but I like playing controller. Ergo, I purchased a real Microsoft controller for its weight and how it feels in my hands versus a cheaper, general controller. You buy salt and sugar for food to give it the flavor you want regardless of what pre-made meal you purchase from the store. You buy in soles to make shoes fit more comfortably despite spending money on the shoe. The list goes on but the point is the same. You are standing in the rain here, letting yourself get wet when buying an umbrella is not the end of the world. And many places offer return services. Did you consider finding a store that allows full refund returns? I know I have ordered packages that come with return stickers.

And if money is that much of a concern, then do you honestly think subscribing to an mmo is the right choice?

This is extremely strange. The developers didn't care about accessibility, so people advice to buy controllers or use third-party programs, risking getting banned. What if I can't use the controller? What's next? Will you tell me not to play one of my favorite games? By the way, let me remind you that the waste of someone's money is not something that should be discussed on the forums. However, what else can I expect from a person who writes strange comments, hiding behind a dummy profile.

[Burado_T]

Imagine saying you shouldn't have to pay extra for heat/air conditioning because you already paid money for a house.

If you can spend some cash on video games, you should (or at least I think) reasonably be ok with forking over a few extra dollars to make the experience better for yourself. I own the game on PC, but I like playing controller. Ergo, I purchased a real Microsoft controller for its weight and how it feels in my hands versus a cheaper, general controller. You buy salt and sugar for food to give it the flavor you want regardless of what pre-made meal you purchase from the store. You buy in soles to make shoes fit more comfortably despite spending money on the shoe. The list goes on but the point is the same. You are standing in the rain here, letting yourself get wet when buying an umbrella is not the end of the world. And many places offer return services. Did you consider finding a store that allows full refund returns? I know I have ordered packages that come with return stickers.

And if money is that much of a concern, then do you honestly think subscribing to an mmo is the right choice?

An excellent counterexample, you are renting a business premises, and, let's say, the price changes within reasonable limits over the years, and then they tell you sharply that the value of real estate has increased, and you pay 4 times more. Or everything was fine with you, and the car tax was taken into account in expenses, but for some reason the tax was raised to an unbearable level. Or you were valuable in the company and you were kicked out because they thought the new employee was better than you and you were fired. This is the same stab in the back, and let's not go into other people's finances, not knowing either the country of this person, or his position in general. This is disrespectful.
And we will keep the dialogue within the game, without going to life examples and the market outside the game.

[Burado_T]

Imagine saying you shouldn't have to pay extra for heat/air conditioning because you already paid money for a house.

If you can spend some cash on video games, you should (or at least I think) reasonably be ok with forking over a few extra dollars to make the experience better for yourself. I own the game on PC, but I like playing controller. Ergo, I purchased a real Microsoft controller for its weight and how it feels in my hands versus a cheaper, general controller. You buy salt and sugar for food to give it the flavor you want regardless of what pre-made meal you purchase from the store. You buy in soles to make shoes fit more comfortably despite spending money on the shoe. The list goes on but the point is the same. You are standing in the rain here, letting yourself get wet when buying an umbrella is not the end of the world. And many places offer return services. Did you consider finding a store that allows full refund returns? I know I have ordered packages that come with return stickers.

And if money is that much of a concern, then do you honestly think subscribing to an mmo is the right choice?

And I repeat, I play with the ARR. SE have been turning the game into a casual game for many years. And let's then weed out all the casuals so that it was as before and ask to remove the unsynchronization. Then it will be fair. Or, if you don't have enough complexity, there are extremes, savages, ultimate and unreal mode's for you.

[Krotoan]

Imagine saying you shouldn't have to pay extra for heat/air conditioning because you already paid money for a house.

If you can spend some cash on video games, you should (or at least I think) reasonably be ok with forking over a few extra dollars to make the experience better for yourself. I own the game on PC, but I like playing controller. Ergo, I purchased a real Microsoft controller for its weight and how it feels in my hands versus a cheaper, general controller. You buy salt and sugar for food to give it the flavor you want regardless of what pre-made meal you purchase from the store. You buy in soles to make shoes fit more comfortably despite spending money on the shoe. The list goes on but the point is the same. You are standing in the rain here, letting yourself get wet when buying an umbrella is not the end of the world. And many places offer return services. Did you consider finding a store that allows full refund returns? I know I have ordered packages that come with return stickers.

And if money is that much of a concern, then do you honestly think subscribing to an mmo is the right choice?

.. you spent money.. why isn't spending MORE money to pass one weirdly out of place and heavily weighted QTE OK?

Instead of .. i dunno.. NOT putting it in? or maybe NOT making it all or nothing?

[Gula]

An excellent counterexample, you are renting a business premises, and, let's say, the price changes within reasonable limits over the years, and then they tell you sharply that the value of real estate has increased, and you pay 4 times more. Or everything was fine with you, and the car tax was taken into account in expenses, but for some reason the tax was raised to an unbearable level. Or you were valuable in the company and you were kicked out because they thought the new employee was better than you and you were fired. This is the same stab in the back, and let's not go into other people's finances, not knowing either the country of this person, or his position in general. This is disrespectful.
And we will keep the dialogue within the game, without going to life examples and the market outside the game.

I do not understand your point here. I really don't. Disabled people buy walkers and have insurance assisted wheel chairs among other things. Why is considering trying out a $30 turbo controller disrespectful?

This is extremely strange. The developers didn't care about accessibility, so people advice to buy controllers or use third-party programs, risking getting banned. What if I can't use the controller? What's next? Will you tell me not to play one of my favorite games? By the way, let me remind you that the waste of someone's money is not something that should be discussed on the forums. However, what else can I expect from a person who writes strange comments, hiding behind a dummy profile.

1. wha? Why do you care so much about who my main is? Do you want to stalk me or something?
2. Buying a controller to help you better enjoy a game isn't against the rules so again, wha?

.. you spent money.. why isn't spending MORE money to pass one weirdly out of place and heavily weighted QTE OK?

Instead of .. i dunno.. NOT putting it in? or maybe NOT making it all or nothing?

So what about other games then? You're coming off as though you're speaking at the behest of people who will only play XIV- ever, and have disabilities and thus never ever run into QTE's outside of XIV. The icing on this confounding cake being you want to remove something the majority are fine with for a minority. Because that's my point and what my response pertains to. Buying peripherals which is normal for the physically challenged. If this single instance of mash or fail is stressing you and others out so much, then gosh dang it's a good thing you only need to experience it once unless you're running trial roulette at 80.

All you need is a chin to rotate on a keyboard to pass. Or an elbow, or a foot.

It's not worth canceling it for everyone else. But by some chance you encounter button mashing in other games, provided you play other games, then why not purchase one?

[RajNish]

1. wha? Why do you care so much about who my main is? Do you want to stalk me or something?

Nope. I just don't understand why you hide behind a fake character if you want to say something important? What are you afraid of?

2. Buying a controller to help you better enjoy a game isn't against the rules so again, wha?

I have a problem with my left hand, the controller won't help me. The use of third-party software is fraught with a ban. Didn't you know?