People. We need to talk about Limit Breaks.

[Nestama]

I often mention "Caster/Range LB this" if I'm on healer/tank and we get LB during a big pull. 7/10 times they never use it and I just use the LB once the boss is at 2-4% HP. At least I might be healing some HP at the end/blocking whatever damage might be coming out, which is more worth it over the 0.1-1% damage the LB is gonna do on the boss (and this is assuming the other DPS doesn't kill it before the LB2 actually does damage).

If I'm on Caster/Range, you better believe I'm using that LB on a big pull the second everything is lined up. No one has ever questioned it.

[Blokeymon]

Well if you dont discuss with randoms, especially new player. How will they know that not using it early is wasteful especially as the potencies for each stage is known and can be looked up.

It doesn't help that SE doesnt educate people at all on the options and its output at all. Thats the worst offender. It should have been part of the Hall of heroes thing during your training. LBs levels and types should have been part of it years ago.



eg: per dps class: LB1 pops up to use and single/multiple target dummies with massive hp appears and the trainer calls to you to use LB ( depending on if your a caster/bard or melle etc on what dummies appear )

Agreed - there needs to be a whole bunch more education in-game about Limit Breaks. In the meantime, hopefully this will help a few people.

[Hycinthus]

New joiners will not know. Nothing taught them to slot LB in their hotkey. They won’t even know how the icon looks like.

[Anzaman]

If I'm on Caster/Range, you better believe I'm using that LB on a big pull the second everything is lined up. No one has ever questioned it.

Used Bard LB on pack of enemies - green leaf tank called me out how I apparently wasted it.

[Shurrikhan]

The first half would require the player in question to not be the typical DF player we see today, many of whom barely know the basics let alone how to be effective.

With regards to the second half, by 600% I assume you meant the LB3 potency.

No. I mean a Ranged/Caster LB having 75% of the potency per target of Melee LB, but in this case striking "say... across 8 mobs in a large AoE pull," as you just quoted, for a total of 600% of the potency of that melee LB (often a DPS loss in a skilled player's hand) would have dealt if used on the prior boss.

[Arrius]

I usually use it when a bar is ready before the second boss, so it will be back up at the final one.

[Shurrikhan]

Used Bard LB on pack of enemies - green leaf tank called me out how I apparently wasted it.

Unless he was about to pull another pack or you seriously overkilled them, he's dead wrong.

New joiners will not know. Nothing taught them to slot LB in their hotkey. They won’t even know how the icon looks like.

Which is sadly far from the only essential lesson missing from the game.

[Liam_Harper]

There is literally no reason at all to not use a Limit Break as soon as reasonably possible. It is a massive amount of damage that is beneficial to the party as a whole, as enemies die faster, which means less healing, which means everyone moves on faster. Unlike some AoEs, they don't have damage drop-off either.

"But what if the healer needs to use it?" I hear you cry. My friend, if you need a healer LB to save you, you have MUCH bigger problems to take care of.

Absolutely disagree. I never trust pugs. I have seen farm parties with competent players somehow derp a mechanic on a trial and 6 people die. Even Legend players slip sometimes. If you blow lb3 early, you might get an extra lb1 (which is hardly a few seconds gain on kill time taking animation into account). It's just not worth the risk of having to start the whole trial over or chain hardcast rez and limp through with weakness debuffs. I will always save it for 10%, just incase. The gain isn't worth the safety.

Healer lb3 is woefully underestimated. If 3 people with reasonable damage are dead, there's 90+ sec left in the fight and swiftcast is gone, it's absolutely a gain. There are legit cases even with 2 good dps down. You save 23-24sec healer hardcasts, get all 3 players back in action instantly dealing damage and prevent three 25% debuffs. The difference from leaving them at 75% is like giving them a 33% main stat buff for 100 sec. Yet I see parties with 4-5 dead and the healers struggling to scrape everyone off the floor and get the group rolling because they have to save that pitiful melee lb3.

Tbh melee limit break is generally overestimated. It's silly seeing how many One Player Per Job parties have appeared since the option was made available, and most of them have no clue why they're even setting that option, thinking it's some magical formula for great dps when all they really need is 1 melee, 1 caster, 1 phys ranged and a double here and there rarely makes a difference.

Dungeon trash, definitely. I agree, caster lb is great on big pulls. I'd save it exclusively for that unless you have no ranged.

I'd also mention dps lb does not take buffs, debuffs, ilv or personal dps into account. If you're the player who died 5 times, has stacked up weakness, doesn't know their class well and there's a good lb opportunity, you should take lb duty so the other dps can focus on rotation.

[Blokeymon]

All that text.

Like I said, if you need a healer LB3, you got much bigger problems.

[Nestama]

Used Bard LB on pack of enemies - green leaf tank called me out how I apparently wasted it.

Then you have the choice to explain how it's not a waste (potency, basic math, etc), or just lol and ignore the tank who is wrong.

Anyway. A LB is only wasted if it's never used (or a tank/healer use it when they don't/shouldn't need to).