People. We need to talk about Limit Breaks.

[Blokeymon]

Most importantly, why you're not using them correctly.

If you have:

• never used a melee LB on the first/second boss of a dungeon
• never used a caster/ranged LB on a large pack of mobs in the early parts of a dungeon
• saved a LB the whole way through a dungeon and then used it on the last 5% of the final boss

...then bad news, you're wasting time and damage.

In my seven years in this game, I've heard some incredible "reasons" for not using the Limit Break at a reasonable time during a dungeon.

"If you use it at 5% or lower it does more damage"

"If you kill the final boss with it, you get more EXP"

Those are genuine explanations I've been given for not using the Limit Break.

What's worse are the stories of people getting shouted at, belittled, and even kicked from the duty for using the Limit Break correctly - most likely because the rest of the party are the kind of idiots who I mentioned above. That is just disgusting behaviour, and if you've been involved in that kind of abuse of the kick system, you should be ashamed of yourself.

There is literally no reason at all to not use a Limit Break as soon as reasonably possible. It is a massive amount of damage that is beneficial to the party as a whole, as enemies die faster, which means less healing, which means everyone moves on faster. Unlike some AoEs, they don't have damage drop-off either.

Here is a table showing the potencies of all Limit Breaks. For example, the level 1 LB for a caster does 1650 potency to every enemy it hits in one go. Sure, the whole thing takes around 7 seconds from hitting it to regaining control of your character, but unless you can show me how you can match this ridiculous potency in the same 7 seconds, you should be using it. The fact the potency increases to absurd amounts after that, capping at 9000 potency for a level 3 melee LB, just further screams "USE ME!"

"But what if the healer needs to use it?" I hear you cry. My friend, if you need a healer LB to save you, you have MUCH bigger problems to take care of.

So please. Start using the Limit Break appropriately, to the benefit of your party.

If not, then I hope that the tanks and healers reading this will follow my suit and deliberately spaff the Limit Break up the wall at the start of the last boss, because people need to learn.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[Shurrikhan]

There is literally no reason at all to not use a Limit Break as soon as reasonably possible. It is a massive amount of damage

LB2 is often less DPS than a SAM or BLM, or any DPS with CDs up, does on its own over the same time. Unless you can kill with it, it very well might be a DPS loss due to the recovery period after the damage has been dealt/snapshotted.

Due to having a far lower recovery period, even compared to its lower damage, LB1 is a bit more efficient, iirc, but then, why wouldn't you save that to deal, say, 600% of that damage across 8 mobs in a large AoE pull?

That "reasonably" part entails a pretty large disclaimer.

[ItMe]

LB2 is often less DPS than a SAM or BLM, or any DPS with CDs up, does on its own over the same time. Unless you can kill with it, it very well might be a DPS loss due to the recovery period after the damage has been dealt/snapshotted.

Due to having a far lower recovery period, even compared to its lower damage, LB1 is a bit more efficient, iirc, but then, why wouldn't you save that to deal, say, 600% of that damage across 8 mobs in a large AoE pull?

That "reasonably" part entails a pretty large disclaimer.

I'm glad this thread got necroed, because I didn't know this and this was legit useful.
Is this still true?

[Blokeymon]

LB2 is often less DPS than a SAM or BLM, or any DPS with CDs up, does on its own over the same time. Unless you can kill with it, it very well might be a DPS loss due to the recovery period after the damage has been dealt/snapshotted.

Due to having a far lower recovery period, even compared to its lower damage, LB1 is a bit more efficient, iirc, but then, why wouldn't you save that to deal, say, 600% of that damage across 8 mobs in a large AoE pull?

That "reasonably" part entails a pretty large disclaimer.

The first half would require the player in question to not be the typical DF player we see today, many of whom barely know the basics let alone how to be effective.

With regards to the second half, by 600% I assume you meant the LB3 potency, which isn't something you would see in a DF dungeon. LB3s are typically reserved for raids and 8-man content, and I understand saving the LB til it hits 3 bars, but... then use it. Don't wait until the last few % when it is likely to not even connect because the boss dies before the animation finishes. Use it as soon as it pops.

I'm just tired of seeing LBs going unused, or getting shouted at because I used it at a part of a dungeon where it was more efficient than saving it.

[Shurrikhan]

The first half would require the player in question to not be the typical DF player we see today, many of whom barely know the basics let alone how to be effective.

With regards to the second half, by 600% I assume you meant the LB3 potency.

No. I mean a Ranged/Caster LB having 75% of the potency per target of Melee LB, but in this case striking "say... across 8 mobs in a large AoE pull," as you just quoted, for a total of 600% of the potency of that melee LB (often a DPS loss in a skilled player's hand) would have dealt if used on the prior boss.

[Gothicshark]

The first half would require the player in question to not be the typical DF player we see today, many of whom barely know the basics let alone how to be effective.

With regards to the second half, by 600% I assume you meant the LB3 potency, which isn't something you would see in a DF dungeon. LB3s are typically reserved for raids and 8-man content, and I understand saving the LB til it hits 3 bars, but... then use it. Don't wait until the last few % when it is likely to not even connect because the boss dies before the animation finishes. Use it as soon as it pops.

I'm just tired of seeing LBs going unused, or getting shouted at because I used it at a part of a dungeon where it was more efficient than saving it.

I have been playing on and off for a very long time, My preferred Class is Black Mage, and I have 3 mains. My Au Ra is geared for Eden Savage. My DPS is right along what the experts with the meters want. If I'm in a Random or a Static, I wait for the party leader to type LB, or say to use it on Discord. In a Random the Tank should be the one to let the DPS know when to use it. Since I'm usually on BLM, it would be a waste of my single target DPS for me to use one on a Single Target aka Boss. However for AOE fights, esp big ones, I can slip it in No problem, but I will only do it if I see in Party Chat: "BLM LB" (note Say & Yell are Muted thanks to Gil sellers spamming those channels. I kind of feel bad for the people who chat in say all the time, thinking I might see it. sorry nope.)

[Yuella]

Maybe you should discuss this in the party, coordinate with everyone on when to use the LB

[Blokeymon]

Maybe you should discuss this in the party, coordinate with everyone on when to use the LB

Would speaking with three randoms who don't communicate really be more efficient than trying to educate a wider range of people?

Asking for a friend.

[Hugowulf]

Would speaking with three randoms who don't communicate really be more efficient than trying to educate a wider range of people?

Asking for a friend.

It certainly never hurts. If they don’t listen then you at least tried. Though back to your point, I usually just go ahead and use lb in leveling dungeons more than I do in 80 ones. I’m sure it’s probably because I’m more focused on my rotation in endgame than anything.

[Peace-Division]

Would speaking with three randoms who don't communicate really be more efficient than trying to educate a wider range of people?

Asking for a friend.

Well if you dont discuss with randoms, especially new player. How will they know that not using it early is wasteful especially as the potencies for each stage is known and can be looked up.

It doesn't help that SE doesnt educate people at all on the options and its output at all. Thats the worst offender. It should have been part of the Hall of heroes thing during your training. LBs levels and types should have been part of it years ago.



eg: per dps class: LB1 pops up to use and single/multiple target dummies with massive hp appears and the trainer calls to you to use LB ( depending on if your a caster/bard or melle etc on what dummies appear )