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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    That last part is not proven. Do you know how they would change it? I don't think it's as easy as you think it is. I don't know tho but you ALSO don't know. So thats why I said that. Changing what the Egi's do is not going to be the same as changing an animation. I promise you it's different. Now how hard or easy it is really not for us to debate because niether of us are working in SE. But it gets tiring to hear. " They should just do this.. it's easy" When 9 times out of 10 it's not that easy. People just say that because it's the " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. Now if it is easy then whatever.. but I'm not putting money on that.
    What the egi changes do is create a seperate set of skills with the same potency as the smn skills, which are accessed via using the egi glam system, to extend this unto the OP, for the unheated shots they could have a seperate version of unheated shots with the same potency as the heated shots accessed using the "skill glamour" system for OPs request. For changing ninja idles is likely much more simple (SE spaghetti code not withstanding) as it would just be changing the nin animation pointer to the rouge animation pointer when the toggle is met, obviously I don't know thier codebase, but seeing as the rougue animations are just the pld animations, and the pld animations are the "default" animations of a class (which is why they are used by all the crafters) a system that makes it so the animations point to the default rather than the class specific when the toggle is met form an objective code standpoint seems easier, at least i would consider it easier from my coding experience, as would my comsci graduate friends/ partner. This all could be wrong, however what would be the point of feedback if you had to consider dev workload as an aspect of feedback, everything is workload, thats not an argument that players should have to consider

    Also your "changed" point is a semantic difference, he wants it "changed" in the sense that he can change it to the rougue animations, not that it is changed for everyone, if we're being super semantic would even say "reverted" instead of changed cos the rougue animations come first.
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    Last edited by ReiMakoto; 08-23-2020 at 10:18 AM.
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    More options in how your character looks/plays is pretty much something I'd always support, especially when it's not really even adding anything new. Not saying it wouldn't take any development resources, but the "alternate" animations already exist. It's not like we want them to actually make completely new animations for these (and other similar) things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    Have you seen male au ra run??

    They need a break.
    yeah, it's bad lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    And he is asking for animations to be changed. It's literally what he said in his post. He wants the ninja animation changed. Doesn't matter if he only wants it on his screen.. it's still a change.

    Crap I messed up comment chain and qouted myself. But I agree to disagree.
    He's not asking for anything to be added to the game though. Just a toggle on an animation. The animation is already there, if he takes his job stone off the animation changes to the one he wants. It's exactly the same as the show or hide weapon toggle, the visor toggle. Everything that he wants is already in the game in some form, just not in the order he wants.

    Adding this to the game wouldn't affect you in any way whatsoever, so the only logical reason you could have for not wanting it to be included is solely to spite someone.
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  5. 08-23-2020 07:02 PM
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    I give up. Not agreeing apparently is not allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    I don't know why anyone would be against more player choice at little to no cost to yourself.
    I could ask for chocolate streaks on my pants and white yogurt on my face in character creator and this argument could still be used. Doesn't validate it as a good idea.
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    I agree 101% about MCH animations switch. It should be server side though, i want others to see that i'm not acrobat on cocaine, but a Gunner.
    I'm waiting 3 years to play MCH again, i consider such toggle as one of the solutions.
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  8. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    I could ask for chocolate streaks on my pants and white yogurt on my face in character creator and this argument could still be used. Doesn't validate it as a good idea.
    Whilst not quite the same thing, as we're talking about something that would likely be a client side toggle, but i dont see a reason why someone cant request what you said, and people would air their grievances, the problem was the person rresponding to me was not providing counterarguements that evolved beyond "i dont like this thing for non descript reasons" which is not the same as being able to justify/validate why something is a good/bad idea. In the case of OP, there legit is not a reason i can think of to disagree, which is why I was grilling them
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    Whilst not quite the same thing, as we're talking about something that would likely be a client side toggle, but i dont see a reason why someone cant request what you said, and people would air their grievances, the problem was the person rresponding to me was not providing counterarguements that evolved beyond "i dont like this thing for non descript reasons" which is not the same as being able to justify/validate why something is a good/bad idea. In the case of OP, there legit is not a reason i can think of to disagree, which is why I was grilling them
    Why do I need more reasons other then I dont agree? If that's the case op needs a better reason aka gameplay reasons for why this needs to be changed. Just accept the fact I dont agree to it. So take your "grilling" to a backyard that needs it. Mines doesn't. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controller View Post
    Why do I need more reasons other then I dont agree? If that's the case op needs a better reason aka gameplay reasons for why this needs to be changed.
    I think that Rei is just confused, because there is no reason to not agree. OP is not saying "please remove NIN running animations and MCH heated animations because i said so", he is just asking for a toggle for own character. It hurts no one, there are no downsides to this. So if you just come and say "I don't agree" without arguments, it brings nothing of value to the discussion.

    The only real question that can be asked is it worth devs' effort. I believe it is worth it for two reasons. Both NIN running and MCH heated animations deeply change how the jobs work.
    NIN naruto running makes it 100% "weeb" job, and i know we have a lot of rogue fans here, so option to toggle it off would make the job more appealing for them, since i doubt there are any chances for Rogue job.
    MCH heated animation change the job from Gunner to acrobacy themed job. Meaty gunshots are removed in favor of "blower" sounds. These 3 animations ruined whole job for me, and it appears many more people, 3 years ago. Also if you look at this poll https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...%28Post-ShB%29 it appears there is high demand for Gunner job. With that change MCH will finally properly use a gun, so i see no reason to add Gunner job then.

    Devs' already have some sort of glamour system with SMN egi glamour, and /bahamutsize and /gbarrel commands, so i'm sure that developing server side toggle is a matter of hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetek14 View Post
    I think that Rei is just confused, because there is no reason to not agree. OP is not saying "please remove NIN running animations and MCH heated animations because i said so", he is just asking for a toggle for own character. It hurts no one, there are no downsides to this. So if you just come and say "I don't agree" without arguments, it brings nothing of value to the discussion.

    The only real question that can be asked is it worth devs' effort. I believe it is worth it for two reasons. Both NIN running and MCH heated animations deeply change how the jobs work.
    NIN naruto running makes it 100% "weeb" job, and i know we have a lot of rogue fans here, so option to toggle it off would make the job more appealing for them, since i doubt there are any chances for Rogue job.
    MCH heated animation change the job from Gunner to acrobacy themed job. Meaty gunshots are removed in favor of "blower" sounds. These 3 animations ruined whole job for me, and it appears many more people, 3 years ago. Also if you look at this poll https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...%28Post-ShB%29 it appears there is high demand for Gunner job. With that change MCH will finally properly use a gun, so i see no reason to add Gunner job then.

    Devs' already have some sort of glamour system with SMN egi glamour, and /bahamutsize and /gbarrel commands, so i'm sure that developing server side toggle is a matter of hours.
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    Disliking the sonic run isn't enough of a reason to ask them to do anything to it honestly. Like if people hate it that much then pick another job. That was my original reply. Personally I think its a waste of the devs time since it doesn't improve gameplay. But i also said if they do change it whatever. But as it stands. No. I don't agree. Everything doesn't need a change because a small group of people don't like it imo. Keep in mind this is just my opinion. And I just don't agree to it.
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