Housing Ownership Restrictions

[TwistedTea]

It's not as explained above.
You gave no context for the post, and instead presented it as evidence. I treated it as such, don't be a hypocrite when I filet your "evidence" because it's really not.

Lol, the context was provided if you read:

You stated:

It's also showing the cultural differences between what works in Japan (where there's a significantly higher housing turn over rate) and what doesn't in the North American and European markets. Changes should be made to account for the cultural differences that are also aggravating this problem.

My reply was addressing your above quote.

Here's an example of a ward owner who reported themselves to the GM:

At the end of the day, you're not SE or a GM; the official sources of evidence

I could respect a stance for universal restrictions across all servers. It does seem hypocritical to call out ward owners on dead NA/EU worlds but not on JP servers.

[Almagnus1]

I could respect a stance for universal restrictions across all servers. It does seem hypocritical to call out ward owners on dead NA/EU worlds but not on JP servers.

I don't read Japanese, and I've enough experience with the translators to know that it's going to give me Engrish when I translate it and Hydalaen only knows what kind of response, so IMO there's no point in browsing a forum I can't natively read - so the take came from the data provided by Mew... which is pretty minimalistic tbh. It would be far better data if they broke it down by server, and then broke down the FC statistics to show how many and of what size owned the houses... but I suspect they don't want to disclose that information because it would only be ammo to use against them.

[Arielen]

I don't read Japanese, and I've enough experience with the translators to know that it's going to give me Engrish when I translate it and Hydalaen only knows what kind of response, so IMO there's no point in browsing a forum I can't natively read - so the take came from the data provided by Mew... which is pretty minimalistic tbh. It would be far better data if they broke it down by server, and then broke down the FC statistics to show how many and of what size owned the houses... but I suspect they don't want to disclose that information because it would only be ammo to use against them.

This list by Mew shows it by server but not by plot size or group size however.

I have to say (from personal experience of course) that it's difficult to measure use based on FC size. I have an FC of 5 but my CWLS of 42 members scattered across the DC use my house. FC size isn't necessarily an accurate measure of how well-used a house figures to be. So many people on Crystal have tiny FCs but cater to larger crowds due to event and such. Can't speak for what it's like on any other DC though; I've never played on another.

[Yshtola_Cat]

so the take came from the data provided by Mew... which is pretty minimalistic tbh. It would be far better data if they broke it down by server, and then broke down the FC statistics to show how many and of what size owned the houses... but I suspect they don't want to disclose that information because it would only be ammo to use against them.

Minimalist? What you are looking for is totally irrelevant to this discussion. I'd love to see you try to obtain the information yourself LOL! By the way, my FC has already been very public about what we do. We have no reason to be deceitful about housing and we do not make assumptions about who owns what. There's nothing to hide when you have organized groups who are using their houses while the silent majority does jack s****.

This list by Mew shows it by server but not by plot size or group size however.

I have to say (from personal experience of course) that it's difficult to measure use based on FC size. I have an FC of 5 but my CWLS of 42 members scattered across the DC use my house. FC size isn't necessarily an accurate measure of how well-used a house figures to be. So many people on Crystal have tiny FCs but cater to larger crowds due to event and such. Can't speak for what it's like on any other DC though; I've never played on another.

Difficult is an understatement. The lodestone is a giant piece of s*** if you're looking to get data out of it.



Lacking any kind of free time to set up a Google Data Studio document and google sheet is struggling to keep up with 4,000,000 cells. No ETA on that, but I'm hoping to get something out by the end of Fall. If you have something very specific, I could get a list like this one (most popular FC plot/all servers):

[Almagnus1]

Unfairly denying others the ability to participate? Incorrect. You can, just like every other player, spam a placard for your chance to own a house. Not to mention the Apartments that are essentially infinite being an option to those that wish to Participate in the housing system, without the toxicity of other players at a placard point. People seem pretty adamant in forgetting this fact. Wonder why..

And what happens if the FC that likes being on somewhere like Cactuar wants to find a home?

Stop looking for loopholes or reasons to justify attacking other players because they are doing what they enjoy.

I'm not the one who's attacking other players here, I'm looking for a way to better optimize housing distribution so that more can enjoy it because housing is such a scarce resource.

And if you perceive that to be an attack on you (or your playstyle), then that's a problem that exist solely in your head.

I'd love to see you try to obtain the information yourself LOL!

I haven't put in the time to work with XIVAPI to pull the data and make sure it's valid. Most of what I was looking into involved using a packet sniffer to pull the data from the ingame traffic and storing it as it's being sent from the server to the client in plain text so I'd get the addresses and FC tags - which means I can do a focused Lodestone pull via XIVAPI for the FC tag on that world and verify it with the address.

And honestly, I got sidetracked into other projects so that got put onto the backburner. Speaking frankly, no amount of data I can provide, or arguments I will make will ever be sufficient for those who are abusing the current system because they will always see themselves in the right and most of them (like yourself) cannot be reasoned with because they only think that people like myself are incompetent simpletons that are doing this out of jealousy. When you're fighting that perpetual uphill battle... why waste the effort?

Lacking any kind of free time to set up a Google Data Studio document and google sheet is struggling to keep up with 4,000,000 cells. No ETA on that, but I'm hoping to get something out by the end of Fall. If you have something very specific, I could get a list like this one (most popular FC plot/all servers):

You've got a website, why aren't you pumping the data into the website's database, and going from there?

While a spreadsheet is a great tool for analysis (at least as far as Excel is concerned - the Google Spreadsheet is a POS), a spreadsheet is a horrible way to store data, much less make it accessible to anything else.

[Arielen]

You've got a website, why aren't you pumping the data into the website's database, and going from there?

Are you volunteering to shoulder project cost?

[Divinemights]

And what happens if the FC that likes being on somewhere like Cactuar wants to find a home?



I'm not the one who's attacking other players here, I'm looking for a way to better optimize housing distribution so that more can enjoy it because housing is such a scarce resource.

And if you perceive that to be an attack on you (or your playstyle), then that's a problem that exist solely in your head.



I haven't put in the time to work with XIVAPI to pull the data and make sure it's valid. Most of what I was looking into involved using a packet sniffer to pull the data from the ingame traffic and storing it as it's being sent from the server to the client in plain text so I'd get the addresses and FC tags - which means I can do a focused Lodestone pull via XIVAPI for the FC tag on that world and verify it with the address.

And honestly, I got sidetracked into other projects so that got put onto the backburner. Speaking frankly, no amount of data I can provide, or arguments I will make will ever be sufficient for those who are abusing the current system because they will always see themselves in the right and most of them (like yourself) cannot be reasoned with because they only think that people like myself are incompetent simpletons that are doing this out of jealousy. When you're fighting that perpetual uphill battle... why waste the effort?



You've got a website, why aren't you pumping the data into the website's database, and going from there?

While a spreadsheet is a great tool for analysis (at least as far as Excel is concerned - the Google Spreadsheet is a POS), a spreadsheet is a horrible way to store data, much less make it accessible to anything else.

I don't understand what is the point of you ranting here on an idea that will not sold; to both community and SE.
They will not touch grandfathered houses (I have to bold for you)
They have announced the plan of new housing plots then just get ready and combat the login server like every one of us did in the past when we try to get our first house plot.
Your little crusade on the anti-grandfathered house will never sold and it doesn't increase your chance of obtain a plot too.
All the issue in regard to the housing is the basic supply vs demand.

No sane gaming company will touch the asset that players obtain through legit mean.
Bathesda was only the idiot that done that in Fallout 76 and how they end up with?

[Almagnus1]

All the issue in regard to the housing is the basic supply vs demand.

And you can increase the supply by making sure the existing one is well utilized (by having the housing distribution follow the restrictions that were in place in 4.2 and 4.3), and adding more. If you don't do the former, all doing the latter does is ensure the current cluster continues.

This is like economics 101 stuff...

No sane gaming company will touch the asset that players obtain through legit mean.
Bathesda was only the idiot that done that in Fallout 76 and how they end up with?

SE can change any of the policies around FFXIV whenever they want to. Don't assume anything is set in stone...