Housing Ownership Restrictions

[Almagnus1]

1. If an FC wants to find a house on Cactuar, then they, as an FC. Should put in the time and effort to get one. Yes, it's going to be hard and yes, it's going to be frustrating. But to that end, if you TRULY want an FC house (or a house in general) then you need to work for it, as it won't just be handed to you for free. Keep in mind that several other people also want a personal house / FC house and are going to be vying for the same plot you are. The housing system as a whole certainly could do with an upgrade or a revamp, but pointing your aggression to other players who decide to use empty plots that nobody has shown interest in obtaining is the wrong way to do it. They aren't the problem, nor will calling them out change that.

Thank you Captain Obvious.....

2. You consistently trying to tell others that the system needs to be fixed by punishing house-hoarders can indeed be perceived as an attack, as you are trying to start a witch-hunt on 0.1% of the playerbase that have the ability to hoard houses, yet your justifications for trying to start said witch-hunts are baseless at best.

Consistently?

**Looks at post history**

If I was doing this consistently, where are these multitudes of threads started on the subject? Shouldn't there (oh, I don't know) be more than a thread per year from me on the subject?

[Kenky]

Thank you Captain Obvious.....



Consistently?

**Looks at post history**

If I was doing this consistently, where are these multitudes of threads started on the subject? Shouldn't there (oh, I don't know) be more than a thread per year from me on the subject?

Good to know this time you aren't keeping up the facade.

And yes, consistently. I never specified you needed to be the thread creator. Only that you post in those threads, which you do. I also never specified a time-frame, so you immediately assuming a year-long period is silly. But in any case, back to the topic.

Yes, SE can change any of their policies and decide to enforce said new policies, yet at the same time, I doubt SE is the type of company to take all the players who have been following the rules before and punish them, because SE decided on a whim that the rules need to change and thus, they are now breaking the new terms. Anything that happens in Ruleset 1 cannot be held accountable for actions done that comply with Ruleset 1. Not to mention There are no rules being broken at present. so you need to drop that real quick.

As for "increase the supply". It's been said time and time again that simply adding more supply A) won't fix the issue, it'll only delay it and B) act like delayed gasoline on a fire. It's not as simple as simply flicking a switch and all is daijobu. Economics 101 may teach you to make sure you have enough supply to meet demands, but it also teaches you about not having too much supply that the value tanks. Going back from when Housing first came out, there was no issues. Infact, there were plenty of wards that never got touched, or only had an owner for a few months. Then Stormblood came out, pulling an entire new wave of players that flooded the market.

SE couldn't (nor could any company) forsee a sudden surge and, with things they are and housing being an optional system with no real payout (Excluding FC-workshop stuff, but again, FCs own barely 20% of housing plots) it's going to be on the back-burner, since most people play FFXIV for the actual gameplay. The dungeons, raids, crafting, etc.

Be glad something is happening at all, when SE could well within their right just shrug and look the other way, since their main focus is the story. SE could use to update the system, but SE can't really be held accountable when player obsession is the bigger issue here.

[Almagnus1]

Good to know this time you aren't keeping up the facade.

And yes, consistently. I never specified you needed to be the thread creator. Only that you post in those threads, which you do. I also never specified a time-frame, so you immediately assuming a year-long period is silly. But in any case, back to the topic.

Yeah no. You are making false claims to paint me as the "bad guy" so you can feel justified in your position and then go off on some completely unrelated tangent. If you're going to use this dishonest tactic, at least have the temerity to be honest about it.

[Kenky]

Yeah no. You are making false claims to paint me as the "bad guy" so you can feel justified in your position and then go off on some completely unrelated tangent. If you're going to use this dishonest tactic, at least have the temerity to be honest about it.

So the last few threads that you have posted in, actively stating that house-hoarders are horrible people and that they should be punished for what they do (even going so far as to claim they're selfish and being selfish is bad, mind. Which is hillarious in its own right) are not you consistently trying to start something?

Boy, sure fooled me.

[LaylaTsarra]

Thank you Captain Obvious.....

What is obvious is your distain for those who have grandfathered housing. What is also pretty obvious is that SE made the decision to grandfather them and they aren't going to change their mind in-spite of the resentful people like you who think their threads here will make them change their mind.

You can ask that's fine but I also suggest you don't hold your breath.

And I might also add that alts still can't share a house with their main but that house can be shared with friends. Most with multiple homes would have been content to share a house and they couldn't and still can't. What they could do was buy houses for their alts and some took the liberty of doing just that.

If house hoarding is truly a concern of yours, you really need to be petitioning for 8 FCs per account to be lessened. That's the one that's still perfectly possible, with no end in sight.

What would help but not eliminate this is the reducing of the FC exclusivity by giving FC's no more that a week to buy a house when new wards release before private owners can access those houses for purchase. A week for an existing FC is already too long in my opinion. If I had my way I'd give them no more that 2 days.

[Penthea]

And I might also add that alts still can't share a house with their main but that house can be shared with friends. Most with multiple homes would have been content to share a house and they couldn't and still can't. What they could do was buy houses for their alts and some took the liberty of doing just that.

I'm a firm believer that a good way to combat a certain type of activity is to reduce the incentive to engage in said activity.

Certainly allowing all characters in the same server and account to have access to the same private home would reduce the incentive to have multiple houses. Some may even let go of the houses that are not their favourite. Anyone with a larger house like a medium or a mansion could even designate sections to each of their characters, and it could lead to some really nice and interesting decor.

Any private home owner can benefit from a feature like this. SE did express interest in introducing it so I think it's only a matter of time until it comes to the game.

SE could even take it a step further and allow the alts of tenants have access to the same house, which would be beneficial to those who play with multiple accounts.

[Almagnus1]

The issue there, Almagnus is.. Well. It's incredibly unlikely to happen in Japan. Purely because of the society they are a part of.

In japan, they don't want to be a burden to each other. They put major emphasis on family and sticking to said family. So it would take quite a societal shift for this issue to occur in Japan to the point of needing actual action.

(This could be entirely wrong and if that is so, I apologize. It's what I have found out from interacting with japanese families in the past.)

Compared to the materialistic obsession that the "western world" has is definitely an issue, but that's something that we shouldn't really get in to, due to Controversy, politics and that will always start fights. Better not to.

It's almost like the Japanese aren't being selfish about the matter....

Your suggestion is to take away earned in-game rewards, destroying hours of player effort for little to no reward.

Do you realize how many hours members of my FC spent trying to relo to Kurogane, including trying to relo the FC house from Mist to Kurogane only to have nothing?

I imagine they're not alone, and there are probably others in the same boat as well.

Are you suggesting they should be compensated for their efforts?

Besides, the house itself is not a reward. You complete no quests to get it, you just walk over to the placard and pay for it. In other words, it's an item. Yes, you can do a lot with it, but at the end of the day, it's no different to your character than your chocobo.

You admitted that the root of the problem isn't alt houses, as if it wasn't obvious.

So then please explain why it's acceptable to have more than one personal house per service account. And no, "because they were grandfathered in" is not a valid reason here.

We've already talked about the math. 20,220 houses too few is not going to be helped at all based on removing however many of the ~3780 player houses are alt owned. Even if half of all personal houses were owned by alts (which they aren't) we would gain about 1,890 personals, reducing homelessness by 9%.

So... why not increase the number of players able to participate?

Having the change applied in the future prevents alts from getting in the way of mains when the new wards come about. The new wards are the solution, not alienating a small group of loyal players in order to free up a couple tiny corners of existing wards.

You're acting like I'm not in favor of doing both....

And even if we keep adding wards, I doubt that there's enough server capacity to generate the extra wards to match demand, so I see the only real solution here as both adding more wards and also making sure the wards are utilized by as many service accounts as possible.

And I might also add that alts still can't share a house with their main but that house can be shared with friends.

And that's something SE needs to change.

What would help but not eliminate this is the reducing of the FC exclusivity by giving FC's no more that a week to buy a house when new wards release before private owners can access those houses for purchase. A week for an existing FC is already too long in my opinion. If I had my way I'd give them no more that 2 days.

No, the problem is the shell FCs, not the exclusivity. There are plenty of FCs that want a house... but there's also plenty of greedy people that want their 20th or 30th house...

I'm a firm believer that a good way to combat a certain type of activity is to reduce the incentive to engage in said activity.

Certainly allowing all characters in the same server and account to have access to the same private home would reduce the incentive to have multiple houses. Some may even let go of the houses that are not their favourite. Anyone with a larger house like a medium or a mansion could even designate sections to each of their characters, and it could lead to some really nice and interesting decor.

Any private home owner can benefit from a feature like this. SE did express interest in introducing it so I think it's only a matter of time until it comes to the game.

SE could even take it a step further and allow the alts of tenants have access to the same house, which would be beneficial to those who play with multiple accounts.

I mean, it's not like I suggested that or anything....

• All characters [on the same account that are] on [the same] server gain teleport locations to all the houses owned by all the characters on that server.

And yet I'm supposed to be some evil multiple house owner hating miscreant....

[Almagnus1]

They're definitely sticking to them, in that the restriction is 1 personal house per account for the past 2 years, and will be for the remainder of the game's runtime. They already decided not to apply them retroactively, and they are extremely unlikely to go back on that decision.

If the housing crisis comes to a head in Japan (like it has on the NA servers), then it may.

Your suggestion is made lacking the data that SE has regarding how many houses are owned by alt characters. It would not make a difference. SE will not do it.

As is any post about SE as do not have their data, nor have we any idea of how static their policies truly are.

I used the example earlier that the likelihood is about the same as SE decided to be like WoW or Everquest: 1 character = 1 combat class. "Log off as the class you want to keep, all other DoW and DoM classes will be deleted from your characters records. If you want to play another role, level to 80 on a new character. Sorry for the inconvenience." Can you see that happening to us? All the hours we spent leveling alts? It's 100% not going to happen, exactly like your suggestion.

That's a rather hyperbolic red herring.

The handful of people who own alt houses are not the ones creating a housing crisis.

While that is true, they are also making a bad situation worse by artificially lessening the supply of houses.

[Catstab]

That's a rather hyperbolic red herring.

It's really not.

Your suggestion is to take away earned in-game rewards, destroying hours of player effort for little to no reward. You admitted that the root of the problem isn't alt houses, as if it wasn't obvious. We've already talked about the math. 20,220 houses too few is not going to be helped at all based on removing however many of the ~3780 player houses are alt owned. Even if half of all personal houses were owned by alts (which they aren't) we would gain about 1,890 personals, reducing homelessness by 9%. If applying the change retroactively made sense, it would have already been done. But applying it retroactively hurts players, and solves nothing.

Having the change applied in the future prevents alts from getting in the way of mains when the new wards come about. The new wards are the solution, not alienating a small group of loyal players in order to free up a couple tiny corners of existing wards. If house hoarding is truly a concern of yours, you really need to be petitioning for 8 FCs per account to be lessened. That's the one that's still perfectly possible, with no end in sight.

[Kenky]

The issue there, Almagnus is.. Well. It's incredibly unlikely to happen in Japan. Purely because of the society they are a part of.

In japan, they don't want to be a burden to each other. They put major emphasis on family and sticking to said family. So it would take quite a societal shift for this issue to occur in Japan to the point of needing actual action.

(This could be entirely wrong and if that is so, I apologize. It's what I have found out from interacting with japanese families in the past.)

Compared to the materialistic obsession that the "western world" has is definitely an issue, but that's something that we shouldn't really get in to, due to Controversy, politics and that will always start fights. Better not to.