Housing Ownership Restrictions

[Numenor1379]

Sorry, but I don't think you understand what the current restrictions actually are.

Unless I really misunderstood, your entire post is basically saying don't let people have more than one personal house per server per account? That is already the case and has been for a long time.

One service account can currently have 8 FC houses (1 per character) and 1 personal house, per world.

So if you already have a personal house you won't be able to buy one on an alt, so everything you just asked for is already implemented

Unfortunately this is incorrect. SE removed this restriction sometime during the 4.2-4.3 timeframe and never updated their post. You can have 1 personal house and 8 FC houses per account per server at present. This is how you have people like Mew owning 50ish houses over on Gilgamesh. -_-

[Luna-M]

Unfortunately this is incorrect. SE removed this restriction sometime during the 4.2-4.3 timeframe and never updated their post. You can have 1 personal house and 8 FC houses per account per server at present. This is how you have people like Mew owning 50ish houses over on Gilgamesh. -_-

That's literally what neil said. 8 fc houses (8 characters) and 1 personal house = 9 houses total.
Also it incorrect about Mew, he no longer own 50 houses but I guess it easy to jump on a person and use them as a scapegoat.

[Almagnus1]

Unfortunately this is incorrect. SE removed this restriction sometime during the 4.2-4.3 timeframe and never updated their post. You can have 1 personal house and 8 FC houses per account per server at present. This is how you have people like Mew owning 50ish houses over on Gilgamesh. -_-

It's why I wish SE would enforce the harsher restrictions and not rollback the policy. I'm OK with throwing some of those people a bone and removing there ersatz FC/person house requirement and leave the houses only to the FCs and deal with the entire FC housing side of the situation at a later date - mostly because the FC house ownership thing is kinda obscure within game (or at least, something I may have missed) and you shouldn't have policies based around what's effectively trivial pursuit in a game cause all that does is cause confusion.

That's literally what neil said. 8 fc houses (8 characters) and 1 personal house = 9 houses total.
Also it incorrect about Mew, he no longer own 50 houses but I guess it easy to jump on a person and use them as a scapegoat.

Either way, someone owning THAT many houses kinda shows just how broken the system is - and I'm fairly certain that's not the only person that has an absurd number of houses. Stuff like this is why we can't have nice things.

[Alien_Gamer]

Either way, someone owning THAT many houses kinda shows just how broken the system is - and I'm fairly certain that's not the only person that has an absurd number of houses. Stuff like this is why we can't have nice things.

Nobody is going to say the system is flawless and I doubt many would even argue that its not broken but the issue of him owning a ward by himself is separate from people being grandfathered in. He bought almost all of those after the buying restriction was put in place and he's done it through numerous FCs named the same across multiple separate accounts. While what he's done could be considered poor taste, he's not actually broken any rules. Furthermore, not only is this not a loophole, its something SE specifically enabled.

As for grandfathering, you should never be a proponent of having SE take something away from players that they've earned. Thats something that will get messy fast and its a pandora's box that should never be opened. Not only that, but taking away someone elses house doesn't fix the issue. Sure it will let a few dozen buy a house...out of several thousand that still don't have one. Instead of taking away from other players, how about you post ideas for expanding housing in a way that actually fixes the issue?

[Penthea]

As for grandfathering, you should never be a proponent of having SE take something away from players that they've earned. Thats something that will get messy fast and its a pandora's box that should never be opened.

That box has already been opened. When demolition was introduced a lot of people lost their houses. Yes SE did give warnings, but SE would do so again if they were to change the system in such a way that could remove houses from players.

But that first time is a bit different as it was intended to remove houses from people who no longer play, but some active players still lost their houses due to not coming across the warnings for one reason or another. Removing grandfathering would be with the intent of removing houses from active players, which is something a lot of people are not keen on.

Although some would argue only resetting the timer on a house and doing literally nothing else with it (not even the most basic furnishings) doesn't really count as activity...and that is a debate that has gone in endless circles a multitude of time in these forums.

While I think that people should be able to do whatever they want with their houses, even if it's nothing, I do agree that seeing clusters of mostly deserted barren looking plots is a depressing sight. And if you're a player who can't even get a house, it would especially sting if you know of players who have multiple houses and do little other with them than reset the demo timer.

Not only that, but taking away someone elses house doesn't fix the issue. Sure it will let a few dozen buy a house...out of several thousand that still don't have one. Instead of taking away from other players, how about you post ideas for expanding housing in a way that actually fixes the issue?

Grandfathering is not the core of the issue but it is something that is making a bad situation worse. Also far more than a few dozen would get access to houses when you consider the multiple instances of players and/or fcs owning huge chunks of wards, and sometimes even entire wards, across a lot of servers. Also in some cases one house can serve a large number of people, and obviously I am referring to fcs.

If SE do remove grandfathering they should also allow players to share their private homes with their alts so that no character suddenly finds themselves homeless. Some people own multiple private plots because of alts, and some have even said they wouldn't mind having only one house if all their characters can use it. SE have already expressed interest in letting all characters on one server share a private home, so I think it's only a matter of time before we get this feature.

There's just no way of fixing anything without making someone upset. Even if we got a fully fledged instanced housing system some people would still be upset because they preferred the ward system.

Do nothing? People are upset. Do something? People are upset. The best thing SE can do is try to please a majority.

[Almagnus1]

While what he's done could be considered poor taste, he's not actually broken any rules. Furthermore, not only is this not a loophole, its something SE specifically enabled.

Which is why SE needs to change the rules.

The needs of the many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs of the one.

Instead of taking away from other players, how about you post ideas for expanding housing in a way that actually fixes the issue?

I see one of the main issues with the housing system is resource distribution, and to fix that, you need to free the resources that players are taking up that exceed the restrictions listed at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ .

While adding more wards helps, I still like the ward system (rather than the instanced one) as it allows for social and RP stuff that an instanced system cannot do - which is why FFXIV's genre is the MMORPG.

[Catstab]

Which is why SE needs to change the rules.

Like every other poster has said:
-Multiple personals on one world is no longer possible, you can currently only buy one personal house per account per world
-SE will never take the step being suggested here, where they forcefully divest players of their grandfathered houses
-If any grandfathered player lets their houses auto-demolish, they will never be able to re-purchase personal housing for those alts

I'm not sure why this thread mentions "FC housing is fine, no issues there." Currently anyone can acquire up to 8 FC houses per account. So if people are concerned about multiple house ownership, I would think that concern would be rooted in the fact that any account can legitimately own 9 houses currently.

[Almagnus1]

The first would not be an issue if SE delinked the workshop from FC housing.

I'm wondering why SE doesn't offer us an airship workshop at Garlond Ironworks in Mor Dhona, or somewhere else. Personally I'd like to have a personal airship that is functionally a house, but that's just me =D

-SE will never take the step being suggested here, where they forcefully divest players of their grandfathered houses

So you're saying that autodemolishing a house isn't a forced divestment?

I'm not sure why this thread mentions "FC housing is fine, no issues there." Currently anyone can acquire up to 8 FC houses per account.

I had not wanted to get into the FC side of things... but that seems unavoidable at this point....


Going by https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ the restriction for FC house purchase is tied to the purchaser not having an FC house on their account already (which IMO can be a bit confusing) and also requires that the FC has 4 people to purchase - assuming those are accurate. The 4 people restriction matches how many people are needed to create the FC in the first place, so that's a fair restriction.

IMO SE needs to add an autodemolish timer on the FCs that are less than three members, but instead of having the timer reset once the FC reaches above four members, it starts a count up until it hits the maximum duration for the count down timer.

For example, if the FC drops to three members, the countdown timer starts at like 45 days and once the FC gets a fourth member, the timer will remain active, but count up to 45 days until it's at 45 days when the timer will disappear. This is a fairer way to do it than just having the timer reset to 45 days once the FC has at least four members because people would game the reset system whereas the countdown/count up system forces FCs to have at least 4 members.

Active FCs shouldn't be affected by that change, and the micro and personal FCs should be able to pad out the FC by rolling alts and bringing them into the FC, so that way they still meet that requirement even if there is less than four actual players in the FC.

The main reason why I want the FC account restriction gone is to avoid confusion. Specifically with relocation, I don't know if anyone with the permission can do a relocaiton (like moving the FC house to Shirogane, for example) or if it's just the house owner that can do the relocation. Given how competitive the housing market is, I'd rather have the former so the FC can have everyone with that permission able to help make the relocaiton successful, rather than have the FC be severely disadvantage by the owner playing on a popoto. Likewise, I don't know what would happen to the FC house if the owner decides to ragequit and deletes their character, as (based on my understanding) I would expect the FC house to be demolished (and I hope that's not the case).

In other words, as we think of the FC house as being owned by the FC, it really shouldn't be tied to any one account IMO, and I totally get that this would allow a single account to manage up to three houses. I'm also completely fine if someone wants to whale it up and throw money at SE for additional subscriptions to keep their houses. Their willingness to be a whale means more money for SE to use to make cool stuff for the rest of us.

The issue isn't resource distribution of existing houses, the issue is simply that there's not enough supply for the demand.

Yes and no.

If one person is tying up a ward on a single account, that's preventing a whole lot of other people from getting a house.

When the supply if is finally equal to the demand then people owning a ward is a non issue.

A) That will never happen.

B) People owning an entire ward IS the issue.

[Alien_Gamer]

Which is why SE needs to change the rules.

The needs of the many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs of the one.


I see one of the main issues with the housing system is resource distribution, and to fix that, you need to free the resources that players are taking up that exceed the restrictions listed at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ .

While adding more wards helps, I still like the ward system (rather than the instanced one) as it allows for social and RP stuff that an instanced system cannot do - which is why FFXIV's genre is the MMORPG.

The issue isn't resource distribution of existing houses, the issue is simply that there's not enough supply for the demand. No amount of resource distribution will fix that issue. The solution is either a doubling of the number of existing wards or a mix of wards and instanced housing (not just more apartments); boom, everyone is happy...except SE who has to actually spend the money on additional server hardware and programming.

When the supply if is finally equal to the demand then people owning a ward is a non issue. We shouldn't be asking SE to put bad band aids on the situation and settling for something that will only piss off everyone. We should be pushing SE to actually do a viable fix.