SCH QOL changes for 5.35/5.4

[Brandedblade]

Pandemic lmao

Yeah I was just thinking of some little changes that could be implemented soon to bring SCHs performance up to par with the other healers. I recently ran Dzemael Darkhold and I noticed SCHs lack of damage really shows in the speed of killing mobs there, which also affects its ability to keep its tank up since physick, lustrate, and adloq arent particularly powerful healing abilities. i mean sure Art of War is strong, but it doesn't help enough imo.

Strange, since Art of War does have the advantage of allowing you to double weave to compensate for the lack of holy stun or gravity safety +single weave. I feel like the issue is just the toolkit being incomplete at that level. Even without healing Sacred Soil mitigation may actually be helpful for example.

[bundythenoob]

Strange, since Art of War does have the advantage of allowing you to double weave to compensate for the lack of holy stun or gravity safety +single weave. I feel like the issue is just the toolkit being incomplete at that level. Even without healing Sacred Soil mitigation may actually be helpful for example.

well its more like, despite AoW allowing for weaving, the lack of those consistent damage ticks that used to come from baning both miasma and bio make it so that when you do large pulls, you have to frantically use your resources like soil and lustrate. as you said, the problem comes from the incomplete toolkit, but I feel that the problem wouldnt exist if either the potencies of the older heals were buffed to compensate for lower damage, or if the damage sources themselves returned, even if its just a small potency going off every couple of ticks. just my thoughts on why those spells should return for now.

[Maltothoris]

Strange, since Art of War does have the advantage of allowing you to double weave to compensate for the lack of holy stun or gravity safety +single weave. I feel like the issue is just the toolkit being incomplete at that level. Even without healing Sacred Soil mitigation may actually be helpful for example.

Correction, they switched lustrate and sacred soil. So that the former is 45 and the later is 50. So a sch doesn't have that at 46 anymore for darkhold.

[Brandedblade]

Correction, they switched lustrate and sacred soil. So that the former is 45 and the later is 50. So a sch doesn't have that at 46 anymore for darkhold.

"I feel like the issue is just the toolkit being incomplete at that level." I was stating Sacred Soil as an example of that missing tool that AoW's strength is allowing you to take advantage of.

[Maltothoris]

Whatever the reason, we can all agree they should probably do something for sch at the lower levels considering all of this.

[bundythenoob]

Whatever the reason, we can all agree they should probably do something for sch at the lower levels considering all of this.

definitely agreed. I think the majority of the problems like fairy ghosting, deployment tactics, and lack of fairy gauge stuff have to be solved by 6.0, but at least a few of the minor ones could be solved by 5.35 or 5.4. patching up the the lack of damage in the current kit shouldnt be too tough

[MartaDemireux]

On the point about Miasma: please if this happens just change the name entirely. Poison, Empoison, Haze whatever. Changing SCHs Bio to Biolysis and Ruin to Broil was a great move that I wish was present as soon as the job crystal was equipped. SE has been pushing to separate them and it's a bit maddening to see so many skills shared between them. Energy Drain is a major offender - this should be renamed and animated since SMNs is the same name/animation but completely opposite effect usage (SCH consumes AF charges to use it while SMN uses it to gain AF charges).

[bundythenoob]

On the point about Miasma: please if this happens just change the name entirely. Poison, Empoison, Haze whatever. Changing SCHs Bio to Biolysis and Ruin to Broil was a great move that I wish was present as soon as the job crystal was equipped. SE has been pushing to separate them and it's a bit maddening to see so many skills shared between them. Energy Drain is a major offender - this should be renamed and animated since SMNs is the same name/animation but completely opposite effect.

I definitely agree that having Miasma upgrade to a different name would be better for its identity, but I think that would be better for something like 6.0, where they can make changes like that to both Miasma and to Energy Drain as well. Renaming or reintroducing them mid expansion might cause a bit of confusion, and might take more resources than simply moving some skills around, and the point of this thread was to try and think of ways to make quick changes to the kit to restore some of SCHs lost power. good suggestion though, should definitely be considered.

[MartaDemireux]

Renaming or reintroducing them mid expansion might cause a bit of confusion, and might take more resources than simply moving some skills around, and the point of this thread was to try and think of ways to make quick changes to the kit to restore some of SCHs lost power. good suggestion though, should definitely be considered.

I mean, a new skill appearing on a list is still a new skill. I don't think it would be more confusing. I actually think the opposite would be more likely.

"Wait I'm on SCH," says the new player, "Why do I suddenly have this SMN skill? Is my game glitched?"

VS

"Oh, look a new skill was added to my SCH."

I think it's only as much work as you want to make it, too. It could temporarily reuse the same animation as Miasma or a Logos action but edited with a different hue. They could even copy and paste some enemy skill or Logos animation in - like how Fluid Aura's animation is literally just the Water spell animation enemies use. Either of these would cut development time by a lot.

The truth of the matter, unfortunately, is that unless it's already been a planned project, any change like this which requires rebalancing a kit won't make it in time for the next patch. Everything for 5.35 is already finished and at most is just undergoing some final testing. 5.4 has already been planned during 5.3s development and is being developed now - we already know MNK is seeing a massive rework for this patch and will suck up most resources for job balancing/adjustments. The earliest we would see anything would be by 5.5 which poses a tricky situation as BLU released in 4.5 and there are rumors of BST following that example for 5.5. But WHM saw it's big buff in 4.5 so perhaps SCH could echo that with 5.5 before it gets more attention for 6.0. But by that point the ends might not justify the means with an expansion around the corner...

[Deceptus]

Whatever the reason, we can all agree they should probably do something for sch at the lower levels considering all of this.

By level 20 every single job should have some sort of AoE. Period, there's no reason not too. No more of this lvl 45-50 AoE crap.