Thread: SCH QOL changes for 5.35/5.4

I think for small changes these are reasonable. My suggestion was
Miasma and Miasma II (rather than an upgrade, but to replace or be in addition to Art of War, I don't like Art of War), so the AoE DoT and the single target.

But an earlier Energy Drain & Aetherflow I think would help lower level folk. And I'd be happy to get Bane back.

This won't be a proper fix, but I think should be good enough to hold us over to 6.0 and are relatively small changes.

For balance then, they can give a little extra to AST (they're complaining about the Card nerf anyway) and why not give White Mage Aero III back? And return some of its lost potency on Holy. This would rebalance the rest and give them something back while not requiring any thing too big for a patch.

Originally Posted by Saefinn

I think for small changes these are reasonable. My suggestion was
Miasma and Miasma II (rather than an upgrade, but to replace or be in addition to Art of War, I don't like Art of War), so the AoE DoT and the single target.

But an earlier Energy Drain & Aetherflow I think would help lower level folk. And I'd be happy to get Bane back.

This won't be a proper fix, but I think should be good enough to hold us over to 6.0 and are relatively small changes.

For balance then, they can give a little extra to AST (they're complaining about the Card nerf anyway) and why not give White Mage Aero III back? And return some of its lost potency on Holy. This would rebalance the rest and give them something back while not requiring any thing too big for a patch.

No no no Miasma II was a poorly designed skill, if it should exist as an AoE dot it should exist alongside AoW as the filler to use between it.

Bane and Miasma might be nice to have back but having Art of War over SB Miasma II is a hill I will die on.

Originally Posted by Brandedblade

No no no Miasma II was a poorly designed skill, if it should exist as an AoE dot it should exist alongside AoW as the filler to use between it.

Bane and Miasma might be nice to have back but having Art of War over SB Miasma II is a hill I will die on.

What are you talking about? Miasma 2 was the best designed skill in the game. It may have been accidental, but it tied so many things together for SCH that Ruin2 could never have done.

1) Weaving - Miasma2 was 200 potency over 12 seconds. This made it a better weaving tool than (100p) Ruin2. Ruin2 was worse than clipping a Broil unless you needed to double-weave.
So to start with, we have a stronger weaving tool.
2) Positioning - Miasma 2 had a short range, so required you to stick close to the boss to use your kit effectively.
that trades off your mobility
3) Frequency - Having a 12s DoT means that you can’t spam multiple instances in a row
that forces you to think ahead as you can’t spam out more than 2 oGCDs at once
4) Limitations - And it has a hefty mana cost, further bringing mana management into the healer with the most expensive GCDs (even Broil was 120 MP more than Stone & Malefic)
That you couldn’t overuse without running dry on Mana
5) Alternatives - Ruin 2 was still available.
And still had a (less damage efficient) option to overcome any of the limitations imposed by Miasma 2.

Basically Miasma 2 had an important impact on everything, and made SCH more active (and so more rewarding) to play well.

Whereas Bane? It had no interactivity (just DoT then pop lmao, you won’t miss that aetherflow) with SCH’s kit. It was only for mass pulls, and wrought a hefty damage penalty that was difficult to calculate the efficiency of on the fly.
Good riddance, I say!

Some days I wonder just how many times I've seen these perfectly reasonable suggestions and ideas and SE just ignores us

i definately agree with these and what saefinn said. That said I think aetherflow costing 1 would be better given the increased usage of aetherflow through bane

Originally Posted by YusiKha

What are you talking about? Miasma 2 was the best designed skill in the game. It may have been accidental, but it tied so many things together for SCH that Ruin2 could never have done.

1) Weaving - Miasma2 was 200 potency over 12 seconds. This made it a better weaving tool than (100p) Ruin2. Ruin2 was worse than clipping a Broil unless you needed to double-weave.
So to start with, we have a stronger weaving tool.
2) Positioning - Miasma 2 had a short range, so required you to stick close to the boss to use your kit effectively.
that trades off your mobility
3) Frequency - Having a 12s DoT means that you can’t spam multiple instances in a row
that forces you to think ahead as you can’t spam out more than 2 oGCDs at once
4) Limitations - And it has a hefty mana cost, further bringing mana management into the healer with the most expensive GCDs (even Broil was 120 MP more than Stone & Malefic)
That you couldn’t overuse without running dry on Mana
5) Alternatives - Ruin 2 was still available.
And still had a (less damage efficient) option to overcome any of the limitations imposed by Miasma 2.

Basically Miasma 2 had an important impact on everything, and made SCH more active (and so more rewarding) to play well.

Whereas Bane? It had no interactivity (just DoT then pop lmao, you won’t miss that aetherflow) with SCH’s kit. It was only for mass pulls, and wrought a hefty damage penalty that was difficult to calculate the efficiency of on the fly.
Good riddance, I say!

The very fact that Miasma II rendered another skill in your toolkit useless for it's intended function under a majority of circumstances is something, that while very understandably you may find intriguing and fun to optimize around, is something I tend to view as poor game design. All the things you view as boons and things to work around all come off to me as things that imply the skill was incredibly poorly thought out and implemented with little regard to how it would effect the rest of the toolkit. if Miasma II would to return I would hope to see it return as a tool with a clear definitive purpose, Aoe dotting, as in weaker then then Ruin II for weaving on one target, but stronger on 2-3+.

I prefer Bane myself because it has a clearer functionality as "I dont need this resource to heal at this moment , so I will convert it into aoe dps to make mobs die that little bit faster" and thematically the concept of wearing down groups of mobs with dots over time is a great one. However it's also incredibly weak for mobs that die quickly, hence why I love Art of War, because for all of its issues its upfront burst potency. So yes, my ideal would be "dot spread when stuff will die slower, reliable aoe burst for when the die to quickly" Whether that's via Bane or via a Miasma II that doesn't render Ruin II worthless in most situations.

I made a huge error last night guys, I do apologise. I meant that SCH should get back Miasma as a single target skill from Arcanist, and have its damage upgraded at lv 54. I didn't mean to bring back the conversations on Miasma II, since it's essentially been replaced by AoW. As unsatisfying as AoW is, it has its own niche, which shouldn't be removed.

I meant that having Miasma and Bio back would at least give SCH some more DPS over the course of fights to make up for its lower healing values, and that having Bane back to spread those along with AoW would be a decent QOL change that SCH could use atm.

Personally, I vastly preferred Miasma II over Art of War, but the sooner we get Bane back, the better (not that I see anything mutually exclusive about the two).

I'd just offer also that I'd rather see Bane reworked a bit. While I'm at, I'd rename Bane to Contagion, because that makes many orders of multitude more sense. Bane sounds like an exploited vulnerability -- the exact kind of thing you'd expect from a "magic resistance down" debuff previously given to, of all things, Contagion.

Contagion: Summates and evenly splits the durations of your DoTs among the target and all nearby enemies while inflicting them with Aetheric Plague.
Area of Effect: 12 yalms, target-centered.
Cooldown: 10 seconds (scaled with GCD speed)
Additional Effect: Doubles the duration of DoTs on the target.
Aetheric Plague Effect: Causes the victim to split the remaining duration of the caster's damage over time effects afflicting them among enemies within 12 yalms upon death.

Voila, now you actually want to spread multiple DoTs initially, enough to have sufficient duration to cover all enemies over the full cooldown. And you can still get some use out of it as a means of getting off another two Ruins per DoT period when you don't need MP.

Naturally, do couple this with a returned second DoT (rather than leaving all that strength in, say, a 600 potency DoT alone), such via as the aforementioned Miasma I and it's upgrades. Ideally, leave one at an 18s CD.

Originally Posted by bundythenoob

I made a huge error last night guys, I do apologise. I meant that SCH should get back Miasma as a single target skill from Arcanist, and have its damage upgraded at lv 54. I didn't mean to bring back the conversations on Miasma II, since it's essentially been replaced by AoW. As unsatisfying as AoW is, it has its own niche, which shouldn't be removed.

I meant that having Miasma and Bio back would at least give SCH some more DPS over the course of fights to make up for its lower healing values, and that having Bane back to spread those along with AoW would be a decent QOL change that SCH could use atm.

it's all good dude, Miasma II vs AoW is a hill I will die on. i do think Miasma and Bane being back (especially if they get sch themed upgrades, personally I'd go for something edgy like Necrosis for Miasma and Pandemic [probably not the best word to use atm but it's still themetic] for Bane) is a fair enough compromise, especially if they add some mechanics that reward the sch with keeping up the dots.

Originally Posted by Brandedblade

it's all good dude, Miasma II vs AoW is a hill I will die on. i do think Miasma and Bane being back (especially if they get sch themed upgrades, personally I'd go for something edgy like Necrosis for Miasma and Pandemic [probably not the best word to use atm but it's still themetic] for Bane) is a fair enough compromise, especially if they add some mechanics that reward the sch with keeping up the dots.

Pandemic lmao

Yeah I was just thinking of some little changes that could be implemented soon to bring SCHs performance up to par with the other healers. I recently ran Dzemael Darkhold and I noticed SCHs lack of damage really shows in the speed of killing mobs there, which also affects its ability to keep its tank up since physick, lustrate, and adloq arent particularly powerful healing abilities. i mean sure Art of War is strong, but it doesn't help enough imo.