DRK QOL changes for 5.4

[cactuarzzzz]

I feel like we are back in StB with this WAR hate from DRKs.

The patterns feel very familiar: WAR gets something, DRKs hate. DRKs complain about WAR. Community responds. DRK gets upset that response isn’t always echoing their feelings. DRK complains and blames “WAR mains.” Cycle continues.

I was nice with my comment within that other thread you started. Though, since I am seeing you here actually hindering a discussion with a theme that I think many of us could get behind, my comment here to isn’t going to be as nice.

DRK is in the state it is in because the community made it that way, and the community still hasn’t accepted any responsibility for making DRK the way it is. Yes, it is your fault why DRK the way it is.

This whole mess of DRK being a “WAR with darkness and magic” theme we have going on right now is the fault of the community constantly fighting between DRK and WAR. DRK players in StB kept fighting for the same spot in parties as WAR. Instead of trying to compete equally with PLD and WAR, DRKs only focused on WARs.

DRKs only compared themselves to WAR.

Look what you got now: DRK with no unique theme but a powerful shield, an invul that people don’t like, weird level ability placement, and it grows into a WAR clone. What else SE was going to think when for almost all of StB, DRKs focused their attention on WAR?

If you want to keep this WAR clone theme going and messy room of a level ability leveling scheme: keep doing what you are doing.


As for “balance”, yeah, they have to consider that. That’s why in the other thread, I stated SE only adjusted pieces of code that were small. Small changes are easier to implement when considering "balance."

Show me the proof that "DRK is in the state it is in because the community made it that way"!

You believing DRK is one who start attacking WAR? I have proof that every time DRK create a thread it's always WAR that came with intention to hinder/derail us.

WAR have a habit to go to the next neighbourhood and make sure they're the top.



https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ut-Living-Dead
"We really need to talk about living dead"
OP did not even mention WAR.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ad-not-removed
This thread too. OP did not even mention WAR or other tank but then guess who show up to troll?

even 2 of of my DRK changes thread that doesn't even mention WAR too
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...t-won-t-happen.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Knight-QOL-V.2

[Xtrasweettea]

Show me the proof that "DRK is in the state it is in because the community made it that way"!

I have proof that Every time DRK create a thread it's always WAR that came with intention to hinder/derail us.

You want an article? You want an insider's leak? You want Yoshi P next to a fireplace in a Cosby sweater telling you?

Yeah no, none of that exists.

What exists is this version of DRK we have now, compared to what is certainly alien in design from two previous expansions. That is the proof: a poor man's version of WAR with a shield and a leveling scheme that doesn't make much sense.

SE couldn't have just decided to make a WAR clone on their own. The community had their hand in making DRK as it is today based on the feedback provided and the conversations that were had. The community has blame for the DRK we deserve.

[cactuarzzzz]

You want an article? You want an insider's leak? You want Yoshi P next to a fireplace in a Cosby sweater telling you?

Yeah no, none of that exists.

What exists is this version of DRK we have now, compared to what is certainly alien in design from two previous expansions. That is the proof: a poor man's version of WAR with a shield and a leveling scheme that doesn't make much sense.

SE couldn't have just decided to make a WAR clone on their own. The community had their hand in making DRK as it is today based on the feedback provided and the conversations that were had. The community has blame for the DRK we deserve.

In other word you just blowing and air with nothing to back you up.

[Xtrasweettea]

In other you just blowing and air with nothing to back you up.

I like how you need proof when there's a chance you and your actions, current and historical, gave us the DRK we have right now.

Meanwhile, you have no problem blowing hot air when it comes to WAR adjustments. You state motives about SE with no proof.

[cactuarzzzz]

I like how you need proof when there's a chance you and your actions, current and historical, gave us the DRK we have right now.

Meanwhile, you have no problem blowing hot air when it comes to WAR adjustments. You state motives about SE with no proof.

"There's chance"

Is that the best you can come with? Try not to be ambiguous.

Also I state SE motives based on the evidence and their action which I can bring to show here if needed. If SE wish to say otherwise they're welcome to explain.

[Xtrasweettea]

"There's chance"

Is that the best you can come with? Try not to be ambiguous.

Also I state SE motives based on the evidence and their action which I can bring to show here if needed. If SE wish to say otherwise they're welcome to explain.

So, you have proof, in written words from SE on why they made DRK the way they did this expansion?

[Xtrasweettea]

You believing DRK is one who start attacking WAR? I have proof that every time DRK create a thread it's always WAR that came with intention to hinder/derail us.

IT IS WAR THAT ALWAYS COMPARE THEMSELVES WITH OTHER TANK AND MAKE COMMOTION WHEN IT DOESN'T MAKE WAR SUPERIOR AND THEY AREN'T WHERE THEY BELONG TO AKA TOP TANK.

Nice ninja edit.

Maybe you should walk away from the keyboard for a few hours and come back when you are calmer. Long enough for you to collect your thoughts and reflect.

As for "attacking", that is incorrect. I didn't state attacking: I stated "comparing" and "complaining." Attacking is not the same thing as either of those.

As for the "WAR always compare" etc., this literal tribalism speaking. This is "us versus them." Being competitive with the other three tanks is not the same as what you are believing within your own head cannon. WAR mains are not oppressing DRKs nor holding DRKs back, your own attitude is.

Your actions, your language, your demeanor, and your accusations makes me want to just not even bother with trying to have open discussions on trying to fix a job I don't main. Myself and other tanks are empathetic to the shortcomings of DRK in its current state. Unfortunately, the attitude that you bring to the discussion (like this one you brought to a discussion about the DRK leveling scheme) makes myself and others not want to bother.

That is why stated what I wrote. You have to sit back and think how much of this damage is self inflicted. Do I have blame? Yes I do. I accept my part in what made DRK it is the way it is currently.

[cactuarzzzz]

So, you have proof, in written words from SE on why they made DRK the way they did this expansion?

I have proof Yoshida intentionally kept Living & Walking Dead this way despite knowing DRK community don't want too.

Nice ninja edit.

Maybe you should walk away from the keyboard for a few hours and come back when you are calmer. Long enough for you to collect your thoughts and reflect.

As for "attacking", that is incorrect. I didn't state attacking: I stated "comparing" and "complaining." Attacking is not the same thing as either of those.

As for the "WAR always compare" etc., this literal tribalism speaking. This is "us versus them." Being competitive with the other three tanks is not the same as what you are believing within your own head cannon. WAR mains are not oppressing DRKs nor holding DRKs back, your own attitude is.

Your actions, your language, your demeanor, and your accusations makes me want to just not even bother with trying to have open discussions on trying to fix a job I don't main. Myself and other tanks are empathetic to the shortcomings of DRK in its current state. Unfortunately, the attitude that you bring to the discussion (like this one you brought to a discussion about the DRK leveling scheme) makes myself and others not want to bother.

That is why stated what I wrote. You have to sit back and think how much of this damage is self inflicted. Do I have blame? Yes I do. I accept my part in what made DRK it is the way it is currently.

If you have issue with me changing

"IT IS WAR THAT ALWAYS COMPARE THEMSELVES WITH OTHER TANK AND MAKE COMMOTION WHEN IT DOESN'T MAKE WAR SUPERIOR AND THEY AREN'T WHERE THEY BELONG TO AKA TOP TANK."

to


"WAR have a habit to go to the next neighbourhood and make sure they're the top."

in 5 mins

Then go ahead and cry.







"WAR mains are not oppressing DRKs nor holding DRKs back, your own attitude is."

Then wth is this?

DRK really doesn't need any kind of defensive buff.

Because it's a good skill.

Because it's fine.

"We really need to talk about Living Dead"

Do we? No, no I don't think we do, actually. It's worse than the other invuln abilities in some situations, it's better than the others in some other situations. With coordinated play (and admittedly having a WHM) LD turns into the single best tank invuln due to the fact that it combines Hallowed Ground's length with (nearly) Holmgang's cooldown. Does it function poorly as an "Oh shit, the healer can't keep me up" button in dungeon pulls with randoms? Sure. But then again, Holmgang is subpar in that same situation. I think it's poor form to judge a cooldown based around poor play and execution on the players' part; especially when, when proper play and usage, LD is extremely powerful. The only invuln that I would put as superior to it when used properly is Holmgang simply due to the fact that Holmgang has 60 seconds less on its cooldown.

I don't think we really need to talk about Living Dead...

If you are with a group and don't have a WHM you can just do what one of my groups did and just lock out DRK from joining the group. You get to create your own groups in this game and nothing is forcing you to take a DRK with you if you know they are going to have a mechanic where they need to use invuln to survive. Last time I locked out a DRK was for Titania EX when that was still new. We opened it back up when a WHM joined and preferred DRK's when we had a bene to use with it, it's really amazing if used correctly.

Just say it, you want your main to be the best at everything, everyone does.

DRK already is the most OP MT atm, no need more buff.

No, even now DRK is the MT tank of choice,
People who want LD to change is just the DRK elitist that want more some probably just want a panic button which shouldn't be even a thing if played right... and less good healer or just want to get it easy healer... LD being a 20s invul has it uses and nich, it' perfectly fine as is.

[Xtrasweettea]

I have proof Yoshida intentionally kept Living & Walking Dead this way despite knowing DRK community don't want too.

That’s your only proof? The proof we have all have seen and a good number of us that do not agree with Yoshi’s opinion on his reasoning?
I thought you would have something about DRK as a whole, not just LD.

If you have issue with me changing

"IT IS WAR THAT ALWAYS COMPARE THEMSELVES WITH OTHER TANK AND MAKE COMMOTION WHEN IT DOESN'T MAKE WAR SUPERIOR AND THEY AREN'T WHERE THEY BELONG TO AKA TOP TANK."

to


"WAR have a habit to go to the next neighbourhood and make sure they're the top."

in 5 mins

Then go ahead and cry.

Again, tribalism. You keep screaming that WARs always want to be on top. WARs always want to be number one, etc.
I can change a WAR to a different set of nouns and that would be enough to get me arrested in some countries.
It is that same mindset of victimization and building a case around that mentality. It’s sickening to me.

"WAR mains are not oppressing DRKs nor holding DRKs back, your own attitude is."

Then wth is this?

That’s it? These quotes without context are your points?
These are all, without question, WAR mains?
These five people, proof of the community of WARs oppressing DRKs?

[Xtrasweettea]

Stop with the ninja edits. It destroys conversation flow and makes it looks like I am dodging parts of your responses on purpose.

"We really need to talk about living dead"

Literally on page one, comparison to Holmgang a WAR ability, while ignoring the GNB and PLD invuls:

Especially when you comare Living Dead to the changes Holmgang got.

Before you could say Holmgang had the downside that you needed a target and the WAR could not move while using it. But that is gone now, making the skill better in any regard than Living Dead, except the duration, but when will you get the full 10 seconds out of Living Dead anyway? You are dead at 10...

This thread too. OP did not even mention WAR or other tank but then guess who show up to troll?

You mean Heirro? One person, who only said one line? The guy who said “it’s fine?”

Also, comparison to WAR again, one page one:

They were too busy removing the movement penalty on Holmgang to fix Living Dead.

At least this could be a legit complaint. Though removing the movement penalty was easier than what was proposed to LD.

even 2 of of my DRK changes thread that doesn't even mention WAR too

The first one, zero likes, but came with a full conversation that was productive. There was no mention of other tanks either, just mentions of older versions of DRK.

As for the second thread, yeah, no WAR comparisons, but people were not really open to discussing with you too much either.