Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Yencat]

To be honest, your post makes no sense (I'm not going to sound rude, of course). We already have more delicate male faces in the game, so you really can create a man who looks like a teenager. The problem is that due SE's strange politics even those characters have got bulky bodies. It just looks strange.

And I really do not understand all that 'young looking characters are bad' argument. Just look at AuRas - big, bulky and badass definitely adult men who mate with women who look like teenage old girls (and some of their faces are VERY childlike) who are a lot shorter than them. For some reason it's totally normal and people are okay with it, but asking about male race that look a bit more feminine than their females is something bad and is treated like a perversion? Do you even realize there really are men who look like that and are adults? Of course, most of adult men have got wide bones or brow ridges, but not everyone is like that and we vote for people who aren't and/or feel more comfortable with more feminine look. As I many times before, nobody is asking for children - it's just your interpretation. And by saying that androgynous men are child-looking (lol they're not, the can look feminine, but they obviously don't look childlike) and because of it their needs should be just brushed off aside, is very offensive. You don't have to agree and you can your own vision of how a Viera male should look like, but please do not misinterpret others and at least try to understand them. Thank you.

You cannot make a male character that looks like a teenager in the game right now specifically because they have very clearly adult male bodies.

Au Ra's extreme height difference is bad enough on its own, there's no need to repeat it for Viera. You yourself are even saying it doesn't fit, so why are you trying to make it happen the other way around? That was also 5 years ago, and like he said, conversations around this keep evolving. I'm sure they've had some second thoughts about that too, but what can they do now? Changing people's character model is a big no-no.

[SuperIchi]

If you are so deadset on playing a race that can't wear hats, just put on bunny ears and let headcanon take over. :P

[Awha]

I did that for a little, but having four ears did get to me.

[Skolopendrokot]

You cannot make a male character that looks like a teenager in the game right now specifically because they have very clearly adult male bodies.

Au Ra's extreme height difference is bad enough on its own, there's no need to repeat it for Viera. You yourself are even saying it doesn't fit, so why are you trying to make it happen the other way around? That was also 5 years ago, and like he said, conversations around this keep evolving. I'm sure they've had some second thoughts about that too, but what can they do now? Changing people's character model is a big no-no.

I was talking about faces. And it's not like in reality adult men have got only bulky bodies and no slender ones at all. This is something I hate about female characters in the game as well - you can only be slim and slender, and even if you are playing a bulky female you need to have an ideal body with long legs and big breasts. Of course, I do not see any reason to change character models that already exist, but it would be nice if you could just have more options.

And no, I've never stated that I want Vieras to be AuRas in reverse. I mentioned it once, but I meant just the idea. I do not want to see that many differences between Viera males and females. It would be as uncomfortable, as looking at AuRa couples now.

[Veis_Alveare]

To be honest...

I literally explained why biologically faces that are more feminine are also more youthful.

There is no way that I can see to dumb this down more. If you take that one creepy kid face for male elezen and slap it on a female character it doesn't look horribly out of place, if you take the gnarly old man miqo face and do the same it's jarring and clearly doesn't fit. How is this hard for you?

Au Ra sexual dimorphism is comparatively less odd because it's an exaggerated version of the dimorphism that we already see in humans - men are larger than women on average. The only way you wind up with men being smaller than women on average is by pulling from different racial groups for each sex or by changing age ranges so that the males are considerably younger than the females. Au Ra are also over and done with at this point so even if their dimorphism was entirely unjustifiable as Yenncat said it's not as if they're going to forcibly change existing player models.

Also yes, universally androgynous people (particularly males) are androgynous because they lack or have very comparably subtle post-puberty secondary sex characteristics. Androgynous features on women are things like smaller chests and hips, on men it's a lack of stronger facial features/hair and a lack of muscle tone/bulk; all things that begin development during puberty. To appear androgynous is to appear to not have undergone a full puberty. That's what the word neotenous means, by the way - neoteny us literally the retention of juvenile characteristics into adulthood.

I literally don't care what Viera males look like nor about whether or not they're added to the game, only that people who are trying to use this game to creep on (or RP creeping on) kids don't get any additional enjoyment out of this. We won't ever get to play any childlike characters (save for Lalafel which I'd say are significantly removed from normal human children or adolescents) and that's a good thing... now people just need to stop asking for it.

As to your desire for less conventionally attractive characters, while I don't imagine it's something that we'll be seeing I have literally zero issue with it and wouldn't be opposed at all. It seems an unlikely addition but it also isn't actually creating a problem so by all means go for it.

[Yencat]

I was talking about faces. And it's not like in reality adult men have got only bulky bodies and no slender ones at all. This is something I hate about female characters in the game as well - you can only be slim and slender, and even if you are playing a bulky female you need to have an ideal body with long legs and big breasts. Of course, I do not see any reason to change character models that already exist, but it would be nice if you could just have more options.

And no, I've never stated that I want Vieras to be AuRas in reverse. I mentioned it once, but I meant just the idea. I do not want to see that many differences between Viera males and females. It would be as uncomfortable, as looking at AuRa couples now.

If you genuinely believe male midlanders with the sliders all the way down would be described as bulky I don't know what to tell you.

I only picked up on the Au Ra thing because every race has height difference between the genders, just not as extreme as Au Ra, so I figured that's what you wanted.

[Skolopendrokot]

Yencat, even if you set every male Midlander's sliders to minimum, it's still not a slender body type. But as I said, it's a general problem of this game.

Veis, you completely misunderstood my post. But I don't know if I want to repeat myself if you think that people who want androgynous option for male characters do it because they are creeps with silly intentions. It's so offensive and disgusting on so many levels I'm not even able to describe it.

[gman1311]

I want to play a fat woman with a massacred face (not a little scar, I mean half of it at least). Could you tell how many options do I have?

Might want to find another mmo, because I doubt the devs will spend time making new bodies that aren’t a npc or a new race.

[Roda]

Au Ra's extreme height difference is bad enough on its own, there's no need to repeat it for Viera. You yourself are even saying it doesn't fit, so why are you trying to make it happen the other way around?

Once is a mistake and out of place, twice is a trend, and twice with one inverted is a subversion of expected design norms.

[Veis_Alveare]

Yencat, even if you set every male Midlander's sliders to minimum, it's still not a slender body type. But as I said, it's a general problem of this game.

Veis, you completely misunderstood my post. But I don't know if I want to repeat myself if you think that people who want androgynous option for male characters do it because they are creeps with silly intentions. It's so offensive and disgusting on so many levels I'm not even able to describe it.

The reasons aren't silly, they're nefarious.

Don't downplay it. Many of the people calling for childlike avatars are doing so because they're attracted to them. I'm not putting any of this on you but it's not as if this problem goes away by ignoring it. The devs took a stand on it for gods sake, they've never even done that on basic stuff like healer dps. For them to directly address this means it's real and we shouldn't be acting as if we don't understand exactly what's going on.