Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[wereotter]

The fact of the matter is we have an oddly large gap between male builds in 2 spots: From Miqo'te to Lalafell and Highlander To hrothgar.

Lalafel to Miquote, sure. But the rest of the male races are on a pretty even curve, and the height disparity between Lala and the next race is still extreme in the female races.



Viera weren't created in female races to fill a height gap, though, they were created to reflect how they look in FFXII, and while they do make the curve for female races more even between the Roegadyn and the Elezen, I don't recall anyone saying they must be that tall to fill that gap in female heights, so male heights shouldn't be the reason one race is a specific height.

BUT if we are looking to even out curves, there are two spots to fill in. A height between midlander and highlander, and a height between Au Ra and Roegadyn as the rest are fairly even. Given what little has been said about the vision of what male Viera would have looked in if implemented, we'd more likely see it fit about between the Elezen and Highlander races, just like they are with the ladies, or if filling a gap, between Au Ra and Roegadyn height (if the added ears on top of that don't cause a problem)

[Yencat]

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Other than Lalafell -> Everyone else there's really no gaps as such that aren't accounted for by the height slider, there would be if you could only be min-max height though.

Side note but I never realized female Roegadyn had such a huge range between min and max compared to everyone else, a full 30cm!

[Awha]

I still stand by desire to have male veria be tiny pear shape beings of chubby glorious fury.

[Veis_Alveare]

I don't think many people would have an issue with Elezen-lite male Viera, that's basically what female Viera are as well; tall but still below Elezen height range and better proportioned.

But people are very specifically asking for reverse Au Ra (ie: very short compared to the women), very slim, with androgynous facial features, all the while pretending that would somehow not make them appear like a teenager. Something SE has explicitly said they will not be doing. They could be short, slim, but still have very clearly older/mature faces but somehow I suspect that's not the fantasy most people asking for this are going for.

Preeeeeeeach.

[Theodric]

Except it's not? There's plenty of men out there with a build smaller than elezen in height and bulk that isn't child-like.

A short guy doesn't look like a teenager or a child unless they're very feminine/androgynous in addition to being short. Which appears to be what you're asking for, alongside certain other posters. As evidenced in the following quoted post:

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be happy if Male viera ended up being really feminine and cutesy, but I just know that is pretty much not happening.

You're correct in stating that such a combination of traits is not going to happen. When Yoshi-P last weighed in on the subject he said as much, specifically ruling out a child-like aesthetic as well as a teenager style approach along the lines of Alphinaud.

Hrothgar already conform to a niche aesthetic. A lot of people aren't going to play them due to being a beast-like race. Presumably that will apply to the women, too, if they're ever added. Viera, however, conform to conventional beauty standards. It's only fair, then, that their male counterpart also conforms to classical beauty standards.

Female characters already receive the lion's share of attention in this game on many fronts. It'd be pretty cool if those of us who play male characters and don't have an issue with masculinity had an option that was tall, classically handsome and well-built.

Those of us who want to design a character along the lines of, say, Snow from FF13, Jecht from FF10 or Gladio from FF15 do not have the possibility at the moment. The closest in terms of physique would be Highlanders...but between 'same face' and a lack of eyebrows that leaves much to be desired.

Such an aesthetic would also appeal to pretty broad audience, serving the game well on a longer term basis.

[SturmChurro]

Western "jungle people" are mostly extinct. We have no real idea what they looked like in terms of muscles before european invasions; what you see in disney movies is just myth and fantasy. The ones in Afrika however were buff as hell.
Ultimately this isn't about the real world, this is about how skinny male Elezen are already, skinnier than that is teenage territory, and you know this is true. And you make it worse when you say you want them to be shorter than male Elezen.

I don't know what you mean by "western jungle people", but there are most certainly still people all over the world who live in jungles, or rainforests, etc.. Such as untouched south american tribes, or others in asia, etc. It isn't that hard to find at all what they look like online. With numerous documentaries, etc. for decades. Then again, I think you actually know this.

[Amnmaat]

I don't know what you mean by "western jungle people", but there are most certainly still people all over the world who live in jungles, or rainforests, etc.. Such as untouched south american tribes, or others in asia, etc. It isn't that hard to find at all what they look like online. With numerous documentaries, etc. for decades. Then again, I think you actually know this.

I don't know why you bother explaining all of that when I said all of that is irrelevant (I didn't bring up real life, they did). But if you really want to talk about jungle tribes in south america (very few left, if any, specially now that the Amazon jungle is being burned down every year), let's talk about them, physically their females are not tall; same situation with the Southern asian tribes, thus leaving Afrikan tribes as the only comparison. As such the males would be tall and strong; not short and skinny like in South america and Southern asia.

[Alleo]

Yes, thankfully that particular path has been ruled out. Though many of the same posters who were asking for them to look like that have now switched tactics and are pushing for them to be as short and androgynous/feminine as possible to get a similar effect.

I have been in this thread from the very start and I have yet to see the big amount of people that wanted them as children. Or that those that wanted them that way suddenly changed and now push for another agenda. Maybe there are some that fall in both groups but I doubt that this is the case for anyone that wants a more androgynous male. And wanting that is not wrong. Androgynous does not mean young or children. Its more like all those K-Pop or J-Pop idols. Nothing wrong with wanting that.

A short guy doesn't look like a teenager or a child unless they're very feminine/androgynous in addition to being short. Which appears to be what you're asking for, alongside certain other posters. As evidenced in the following quoted post:

Those of us who want to design a character along the lines of, say, Snow from FF13, Jecht from FF10 or Gladio from FF15 do not have the possibility at the moment. The closest in terms of physique would be Highlanders...but between 'same face' and a lack of eyebrows that leaves much to be desired.

Such an aesthetic would also appeal to pretty broad audience, serving the game well on a longer term basis.

Quite a few actually wanted an Omega male built and saw it as androgynous. I doubt he would count as a child. In FF games you are often able to play as young adults so I am not sure why exactly it would be so wrong if people want to play as something like that. (And I mean a lot of Au Ra females can look quite young too..) And the person you quoted also said something like: Honestly if they just did a male with midlander/miqo'te height with the leaner build that they tried for with elezen I'd be a happy camper. Does not sound like a child too me either.

Yoshida himself is a short and very slender man (like a lot of japenese men). Does he look like a child? I also just googled up androgynous /feminie men and none of those very first pictures look like children for me. Seemingly a young Jonny Depp once counted as having feminine features too.

[Hazama999]

Support post.

[Corrie]

Why are you guys so adamant that anyone who likes slim Androgynous Adults must be wanting them to be kids. That seems like youre projecting on a whole group of people because you saw a couple of pedophiles who actually wanted them to look like kids and thats not a good thing to do in an argument.

I don't know why you bother explaining all of that when I said all of that is irrelevant (I didn't bring up real life, they did). But if you really want to talk about jungle tribes in south america (very few left, if any, specially now that the Amazon jungle is being burned down every year), let's talk about them, physically their females are not tall; same situation with the Southern asian tribes, thus leaving Afrikan tribes as the only comparison. As such the males would be tall and strong; not short and skinny like in South america and Southern asia.

Sir as someone who has an actual major that studies cultures around the world, I dont think you know what youre talking about, and I think you know that.