Alliance Roulette desperately needs a split

[Doozer]

Imo we lack an actual story roulett anyways that really includes ALL story dungeons, trials and raids. There should be smt else then Mentor to fill the ques...

It would be nice to have a roulette that includes all 'story required' duties, I would definitely do that.

Put simply if the content is any way difficult and its on a roueltte with easier content, people WILL leave unless the rewards are worth the effort. Having a roulette with that broad a scope will only encourage this.

People leave queues already when they get something they don't want (I've seen Dun Scaith get this treatment a lot for reasons I don't understand), and those roulettes are still in the game. Mentor roulette is still there, and it encompasses more duties and people still leave it if they get an EX trial or something. So if that roulette remains in the game, why can't a story roulette one be added? I'd queue for it and wouldn't leave no matter what I got because I actually enjoy playing the game and don't just do it for rewards. And I think more people feel that way than the way you described, or there would be way more people leaving duties to a point that it would be a widespread problem.

[Machka]

I personally don't get why people want Crystal Tower raids so bad. Sure they're 'faster' for people who just want the rewards at the end, but

There is the answer you're looking for. If people are doing a daily roulette then chances are they'd prefer to get it done with as quickly as possible so they can go on and do whatever else they had wanted to spend their time doing. So it makes perfect sense people would prefer getting CT over a raid that potentially takes longer.

Yeah that kinda sucks for people hoping to get something else in the roulette, but at the end of the day these roulettes are made to help fill parties for people trying to run specific instances. The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower. Anyone who wants to run a different set of alliance raids can just queue up for them specifically.

[Darel]

. The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower. Anyone who wants to run a different set of alliance raids can just queue up for them specifically.

If only this happened I would have 0 complaints about this, but I've had friends at prime time wait more than five hours prior to the Mog Event and people then leave abruptly cause it wasn't ARR, so clearly that doesn't work as intended.

[JamieRose]

There is the answer you're looking for. If people are doing a daily roulette then chances are they'd prefer to get it done with as quickly as possible so they can go on and do whatever else they had wanted to spend their time doing. So it makes perfect sense people would prefer getting CT over a raid that potentially takes longer.

Yeah that kinda sucks for people hoping to get something else in the roulette, but at the end of the day these roulettes are made to help fill parties for people trying to run specific instances. The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower. Anyone who wants to run a different set of alliance raids can just queue up for them specifically.

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[Ilenya]

Wouldn't mind them adding the CT raids into the MSQ Roulette to be honest. It'd be nice to mix that up although they'd probably need adjust the cut scenes to be non skip-able like they have for the current ones.

They can't anymore, because the CT raids only have one tank against the MSQ having two. Ironically, if CT hadn't been changed, this could have worked, but it was moved to 1/2/5 to match up with the rest of the 24-man better.

[Doozer]

There is the answer you're looking for.

I mean, you can cut off the last part of what I said to make it easier to have something to respond to, but the rest matters too:

I personally don't get why people want Crystal Tower raids so bad. Sure they're 'faster' for people who just want the rewards at the end, but it's so boring.

I don't understand how someone can do something that's incredibly boring just because it's faster. You get the same rewards no matter what you do, so why not do something enjoyable instead of something where you can barely do a single combo before the fight is over. I play certain parts of the game because I like playing them, not because they're fast. So that's why I don't get it. I know they do it because it's faster, I even said that in my post, I acknowledged that I know why they do it, but I don't know why they do it if it's so painfully boring.

I'd rather get Copied Factory for my roulette than Labyrinth of the Ancients because I actually get to play the game instead of just hit two buttons and have no risk of dying whatsoever.

The roulette rewards are for people willing to fill in 'wherever is needed most', and oftentimes that just happens to be Crystal Tower.

I guess that's why I get CT raids so much with no new player bonus and seeing people re-equip gear right as it starts, huh.

[Morningstar1337]

I don't understand how someone can do something that's incredibly boring just because it's faster. You get the same rewards no matter what you do, so why not do something enjoyable instead of something where you can barely do a single combo before the fight is over. I play certain parts of the game because I like playing them, not because they're fast. So that's why I don't get it. I know they do it because it's faster, I even said that in my post, I acknowledged that I know why they do it, but I don't know why they do it if it's so painfully boring.

For one, not many people have that much time to begin with. Or they find the rest of the dungeons to be tedious, therefore fun isn't a concern there. And then there is the matter of people doing other rouelttes that they would also find tedious but cannot pass up the rewards (particularly in the case of MSQ roulette, and then there is the matter of doing 4 dungeon roulettes and Trials on top of those)

All of these things add up, and its one reason why I find 4 AR rouelttes and counting to be overkill as mentioned in my last post,and also why I think it would be best done if those were mutually exclusive if they were to be added. Like you can do the CT roulettes, but that would lock you out of the rewards for the SoM, N:A, and RTI roulette until the next day (and even THAT has its own issues particularly for queues for SoM,the rest at least have incentives being ease of difficulty and MSQ gating for CT, Relic-gating for Ivalice and just bettering endgame gear for N:A, and the latter two will lose those qualities by next xpac),lest people find themselves thinking that they have to spend half their day at least on rouelttes to get exp or tomes efficiently.

Which brings us to the root of the issues, CT is too efficient for the roulette. You don't have to learn mechanics, you don't risk wiping (unless Tanks pulled the Atomos too early and 2/3rdsof the raid on on the same platform) and you can get it down in 20 mins with minimal effort. And you don't even have to coordinate most of the time. All due to the iLevel gap (WoD doesn't have these issues to that extent AFAIK, but its still easier compared to fighting Ozma and TGC)

[Kurando]

Introduce maximum item levels for each raid and that could fix the issue. I'm not saying the max ilvl should be absolute lowest that the duty requires, it can be 20-30 levels higher, but it should be low enough that mechanics matter to some extent and the duty can't just be face rolled. In theory LotA should be (or close to) as challenging as WoD and Void Ark as much as Dun Scaith, meaning there world be little reason to purposely manipulate ilvl before queuing if you know you have to actually make a decent effort for the rewards.

Other than that, I think someone said adding it to a special MSQ roulette might be the easiest way seeing as Crystal Tower will be a requirement to progress anyway. Not so sure about having forced cutscenes for those raids as well but if the time matches the rewards then I guess so.

[Sabrenn]

I know it being called roulette defeats the purpose but, I want a duty blacklist so that we don't queue in to stuff we don't want.

edit: maybe have a limit to it so you can't blacklist more than 1 or 2 duties and so can't force it to only queue for 1 duty. Maybe also not allow it for MSQ roulette since there's only 2.

[Jirah]

Main Scenario Raids Roulette or Expert Alliance Raids shouldnt be too hard to ask . i dont wanna que for something that is always the same. but also alot of p are doing ivalice for thier relics and junk and those may rival crystal tower