Petition for More Wards - ITS ABOUT TIME

[Kenky]

What's the point in my posts? Simple.

People need to stop obsessing over Housing.

Yes, it's great. Sure, it's a good idea to want to have one and pretty it up the way you want. You like that part of the game? Shoot for the stars!

Is it great to prioritize things in a game over your own medical health? No. Is it great to lose things to bots or people who actively cheat and bypass the system? Also no.

Housing needs to change, of that I can wholeheartedly agree on. But -how- it changes needs to be in a way that doesn't leave loopholes or cause more issues than it solves. Demo is a good thing, but at the same time, with current events the way they are, it's fine for it to be paused since not everyone can get on to reset their timers. It's the context that matters with things like this.

Yes, the current games design incentivises such, but it is ultimately the players choice to willingly subject themselves to those actions. The constant furniture stuff we get from events? You could just as easily ignore them or pay them no mind. (assuming that is the incentive) and even then, with peoples defense of "Well SE advertises Housing!" of course they do, it's a selling point of their game. But that is still on the premise that the playerbase doesn't prioritize things over their own medical health. Life / IRL should always come first and the moment it doesn't is the moment we have a much bigger problem that SE can't really address. Since it's so wildly random as to what sets who off. I've known people who have lost sleep over trying to get the primal mounts, or maximizing their crafting rotations, or pushing themselves to the point of delirium trying to beat Alexander Ultimate. The obsession issue isn't housing-only, but it's still an issue that we as players need to fix, alongside SE trying from their end. It's a two-way street.

If the playerbase could be trusted, we wouldn't have as many issues as we do. But as it stands, the actions of the past still restrain the present and until we can prove we've earned it back, we are probably going to be stuck in those restraints. Actively hurting ourselves over content is probably not a good way to do that.

And as for the jab. If you asked me to make an alt on Cerberus to literally sit around and talk to you while you camp a placard. I would probably do it. I've done it in the past and I'll probably do it again, as camping a placard alone is a soul-crushing experience I wouldn't wish on anyone.

[JamieRose]

You sound like someone who should join me on Cerberus with alt character eligible for a house and spend whole night with me, clicking plackard together. You won't ofc. Since there are no free plots on Cerberus.

But i know you will anwser 'No, because I don't have to'. So go forth adventurer! Prove how everyone is wrong in almost every thread created recently in the housing sub-section. They are all not worthy of even complaining about housing, and how it got overcome by bots and people loosing their minds. It's their fault after all! Ha-ha!

What's that? Game design incentivising unhealthy or TOS breaking behaviour? That's preposterous! There is no such thing as game design! Only Gamer's habits!

Okay, fun aside, i will just ask you one thing, what is the point of your posts. Should we leave housing as it is? No demoliton is good? Idk, i try to understand.

I think as he stated in another thread, that his posting is strictly for scoring "brownie points".

[Leloa]

They should just lift the demolition pause and keep it up, 45 days pass and many houses will come available just from that. Then while working towards the Ishgard houses, hoping they will open that area later this year. Maybe next year they would add new wards. I don't see them adding wards this year honestly.

[KayRadley]

They should just lift the demolition pause and keep it up, 45 days pass and many houses will come available just from that. Then while working towards the Ishgard houses, hoping they will open that area later this year. Maybe next year they would add new wards. I don't see them adding wards this year honestly.

The problem with that is that it will punish legitmate in-game homeowners who can't play because of financial hardships caused by COVID, or Twelve forefend they are in the hospital with COVID.

[ItMe]

The issues around housing started when the playerbase proved they can't be trusted.

If the playerbase could be trusted, we wouldn't have as many issues as we do. But as it stands, the actions of the past still restrain the present and until we can prove we've earned it back, we are probably going to be stuck in those restraints.

I don't follow...
What is it the player base can't be trusted with?
And how did we lose their trust?

[Kenky]

I don't follow...
What is it the player base can't be trusted with?
And how did we lose their trust?

Back when Player Housing was released, there wasn't really -any- restrictions whatsoever. It was rather hard (for the average player, that is) to make enough gil at the time to get a plot, but those that did started to make a living out of it. There wasn't the hidden timer, so someone could buy a plot, then try to gouge the value of said plot to people who were late to the party. Bots were especially criminal during this time.

It wasn't very commonplace, but it was common enough for things to have to change rather quickly, hence the new hidden timer. A handful of players took advantage of the system and it became what it is today as a result of that. As it stands, with how the playerbase are acting to these new restrictions, it doesn't really scream "We're adults. You can trust us." to most people. Least of all to SE, who are the people we need to convince in order for things to change. Creating threads like this work in both directions. IT shows we want things to change, but a quick look into these threads immediately see that we don't have any general guidance or goal in mind, only that what we have now isn't good enough. Attacking each other for differing opinions and people trying to protect what fragile ego they have.

(There may be parts that aren't true, or not pinpoint enough, but the broad strokes are there. If I -am- wrong, do tell me and I will apologize!)

[ItMe]

Thanks for the information, though...
Maybe I just don't understand SQEX's mindset, but the current system so thoroughly doesn't fix botting that I'm not sure I can believe the changes are in response to that.
I mean, the bots have just changed, not gone away.

[KayRadley]

Thanks for the information, though...
Maybe I just don't understand SQEX's mindset, but the current system so thoroughly doesn't fix botting that I'm not sure I can believe the changes are in response to that.
I mean, the bots have just changed, not gone away.

That's the problem with bots (and not just housing bots, but gold-farming and RMT-advertising bots as well): every time you build a better mousetrap, the people behind the bots find a way around it. I don't think this is a problem Square can truly fix without tearing the whole housing system down and rebuilding it from scratch.

[Luna-M]

Doubt there will be any new wards, not even (if we get) with Ishgard housing.

[Leloa]

The problem with that is that it will punish legitmate in-game homeowners who can't play because of financial hardships caused by COVID, or Twelve forefend they are in the hospital with COVID.

That is pretty irrelevant especially since it has been months already. I don't want to be the person to bring in conspiracy facts on the table here, but most "Covid deaths" are not due to the virus anyway. The hype is a unnecessary scare.