I'm gonna say something unpopular: I don't like to rush.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Considering you can beat most content in this game while being "extremely bad," that's not an issue.

And the only ones with "gigantic egos" are those who think their view is the "community standard" whereas many people would more often than not be willing to adjust to the tank's chosen pace.

I don't 'think' my opinion is the community standard, I have my opinion because said opinion is the community standard. Nice attempt on the turn-around, but you failed. And just because you *can* clear dungeon content with literal garbage cans for party members doesn't mean that it isn't an issue. When my dungeon run takes 30 minutes instead of the usual 11-13 because the 3 people I got paired with are that inept I have a problem with that.

[linayar]

I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is. If I spend an extra 3 minutes in queue but spend less 6 to 7 minutes in an instance as a result compared to a single pull tank it's a win as far as I'm concerned.

It wouldn't be an extra 3 minutes as those would-be tanks might clog up the dps queues as well. And even now, in cases where tanks left/gets kicked, I've seen wait times for replacements (if people don't abandon/leave) longer than any single-pack-pulling tank could make a dungeon take longer unless the entire group is lacking.

And that also doesn't do any good for the tank who can still queue faster as a tank.

And you very much can tank as DPS. I know because I've healed one such DPS after the tank disconnected at the start of the dungeon and we couldn't kick him for a couple of minutes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fallacious argument. That you can tank with a DPS doesn't mean you can't do it easier/better with using an actual tank.

Otherwise, if you really think that, then you'd have no problem with "you pull, you tank" attitude. After all, you can heal through them just the same.

[Bopsheezi]

I don't 'think' my opinion is the community standard, I have my opinion because said opinion is the community standard. Nice attempt on the turn-around, but you failed. And just because you *can* clear dungeon content with literal garbage cans for party members doesn't mean that it isn't an issue. When my dungeon run takes 30 minutes instead of the usual 11-13 because the 3 people I got paired with are that inept I have a problem with that.

Lucy I think you're the only one who has 30 min dungeon runs. I've never had a dungeon take more than 25 minutes, even with a "bad" party, so stop exaggerating.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Otherwise, if you really think that, then you'd have no problem with "you pull, you tank" attitude. After all, you can heal through them just the same.

Or, the reality of the situation, which is that people have an issue with "yOu pUlL iT yOu tAnK iT" because that mindset is nothing but an egotistical view (typically held by extremely bad players) who use it to try and exert some pathetic iota of superiority over the group. It's especially funny to me when I'm playing MCH and queue with a friend on SCH, because we insta-pull every boss we get to. More than a few times we've had a stuck up GCBTW tank just stand there hoping that I'd die from the tankbuster, only for me to live through it with SCH shielding while the tank is utterly useless and looks stupid throwing his little power trip hissy fit. Bonus points in those situations if you kick them right before the final boss just to drive the nail in deeper.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Lucy I think you're the only one who has 30 min dungeon runs. I've never had a dungeon take more than 25 minutes, even with a "bad" party, so stop exaggerating.

I had two of them last night. You're really underestimating how trash some people in this game are. Hell, I've had a small handful of runs that took over 40 minutes, and one of my friends actually had a dungeon run so long that the instance timed out because his party kept wiping to Mist Dragon regardless of mechanics being explained. But yeah, seeing the true depths of bads in this game is 'exaggerating'.

[Vahlnir]

Lucy I think you're the only one who has 30 min dungeon runs. I've never had a dungeon take more than 25 minutes, even with a "bad" party, so stop exaggerating.

They are rare, but they do happen. I had a Brayflox run one time that took the group 80 minutes, and the only way to clear was kicking the tank and getting a new one since it was because of them it took that long. That is not an exaggeration either. I haven't had one that bad before or since, so obviously it was an outlier of sorts. At most my dungeons can take up to 30 minutes, but most are between 15-20. I'd say 30 minute dungeons are still relatively rare in my experience, but most of the time I can control the pace, so...that's probably a big part of it. The only reasons I slow down are if the dps is low or the healers can't handle bigger pulls.

[linayar]

I beat you're ok with that though because they're "tanking"

Nope, because they're not tanking in that situation. Pulling one pack is tanking as long as you're tanking the whole pack because the second pack isn't trying to kill your party.

But since you're so hung on the "You're not tanking" since you totally omitted the rest of my post.
Take it as, you're not playing tank well and you shouldn't play tank if you can't tank more than what a geared melee dps can. Specifically (samurai ,mnk or drg)

Well, fortunately, that's not entirely up to you to decide outside of vote kick or leaving.

Considering that the developers had to implement a very easy mode on solo instances for people who think just queuing up for a duty is doing enough, doesn't seem like the "community standard" is doing any favors for the playerbase and is an issue.

Interesting you mention that, as I disagree with having an easy mode for solo instance, but people are quick to point out to me that solo instance has no bearing on group content. So, whatever, I guess whatever makes it hard for people to do solo, grouping solves it, so it's fine.

I don't 'think' my opinion is the community standard, I have my opinion because said opinion is the community standard. Nice attempt on the turn-around, but you failed. And just because you *can* clear dungeon content with literal garbage cans for party members doesn't mean that it isn't an issue. When my dungeon run takes 30 minutes instead of the usual 11-13 because the 3 people I got paired with are that inept I have a problem with that.

If it takes 30 minutes, it's not because of single pulling. I have not had any dungeon take that long regardless of the size of the pull.

[Lucy_Pyre]

If it takes 30 minutes, it's not because of single pulling. I have not had any dungeon take that long regardless of the size of the pull.

Well aren't you just lucky. Sure, single pulling tanks aren't the *sole* reason for a 30 minute dungeon but it sure is a significant contributing factor. At the end of the day this is a team based game, and as such we should all expect a basic level of competency from everyone in our party, regardless of role. Tanks should be expected to pull fast & as much as they can handle while still doing good DPS, DPS should be expected to do good DPS and use any party-aiding abilities they have (Trick Attack, Mantra, etc), healers should be expected to keep people from falling onto the floor (unless they're just going out of their way to try to die) while still doing decent amount DPS. None of these things require optimal play or 'savage-level skill'. Just some basic competency to do your job properly.

[linayar]

Or, the reality of the situation, which is that people have an issue with "yOu pUlL iT yOu tAnK iT" because that mindset is nothing but an egotistical view (typically held by extremely bad players) who use it to try and exert some pathetic iota of superiority over the group. It's especially funny to me when I'm playing MCH and queue with a friend on SCH, because we insta-pull every boss we get to. More than a few times we've had a stuck up GCBTW tank just stand there hoping that I'd die from the tankbuster, only for me to live through it with SCH shielding while the tank is utterly useless and looks stupid throwing his little power trip hissy fit. Bonus points in those situations if you kick them right before the final boss just to drive the nail in deeper.

The person egotistical enough to think they can pull whatever they want and still have the tank take care of their enemies for them is complaining about ego, especially after gloating over kicking people before the end of dungeon. You really are an utter hypocrite.

[Penthea]

Lucy I think you're the only one who has 30 min dungeon runs. I've never had a dungeon take more than 25 minutes, even with a "bad" party, so stop exaggerating.

I honestly can't remember the last time I had a dungeon take more than 25 minutes to complete.