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  1. #101
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    Fugu Barr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miminming View Post
    yes right now it's one layout for every account since the ward is shared, no need extra memory, but the one you suggest is 6x per account that multiple the memory requirement by a LOT i means LOTSSS

    do correct me if i'm wrong, thank you.
    One way around it: Store the additional data on user systems.. The images for everything are in the client, so to display a particular plot, your client needs to know what items the owner has and the position of each one. When you select a user's plot to display, the server downloads the data to your system, which is used to display the plot contents when you get close enough.
    If you don't have enough storage for 6 layouts, it could restrict it to a lower number.

    Each item needs item number, X, Y, Z position, and rotation angle.
    Say two bytes for each = 12 bytes times 400 items max = 4.8 KB per saved plot on each user's system. Any typical PC would have no problem with this, but I don't know what kind of storage consoles have.

    Also, you really need to store only the exterior items and appearance. The interior could be loaded when you enter the house, just like it is now, and that data discarded after you leave.

    If that's too much work, then at least keep the instanced plots concept, which would increase housing (with more server storage of course) and also increase the street population.
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    Last edited by SamSmoot; 07-30-2020 at 09:28 PM.

  2. #102
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Personally, would rather just instanced housing and if I have neighbors at all, I’d rather them be NPCs. Preferably do it like Breath of Fire/animal crossing where I build up my “town” and decide who lives there.
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  3. #103
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    Housing is not even an option for anyone new to this so stop kidding yourself.
    Stop kidding yourself that it's not.

    Apartments are housing. There is absolutely nothing stopping a player from getting an apartment as long as they're Second Lieutenant in their GC and have 500k gil. There are plenty of apartments on every world, even the congested ones.

    Is a house more desirable? Sure. But even when getting a house is difficult, every player still has access to housing.
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  4. #104
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    Oh gods, I came to the general discussion forum to escape this chocobo dung. D':
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  5. #105
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    Nettle Creidne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Stop kidding yourself that it's not.

    Apartments are housing. There is absolutely nothing stopping a player from getting an apartment as long as they're Second Lieutenant in their GC and have 500k gil. There are plenty of apartments on every world, even the congested ones.

    Is a house more desirable? Sure. But even when getting a house is difficult, every player still has access to housing.
    The problem is there is a massive gap in the quality of content that houses and apartments give. Apartments are just fc rooms with a chocobo stable.

    If apartments could be upgraded to be bigger, have extra floors, a small outdoor space (balcony or penthouse) to do gardening and outdoor decoration, and if fcs could purchase them and use a workshop there then the overall community would be a lot happier with housing in general. If things were like that then players would have access to the same features regardless of whether they own an apartment or house.

    Of course there would still be players who would prefer a house, and understandably so, but they could no longer complain that they're locked out of cross planting, fc workshop and have such a tiny space for furnishing compared to a house.

    Not to mention that those sort of apartment upgrades would be a great gil sink, which the game is in dire need of. I would also like to see similar upgrades for houses. No reason why we can't, for example, get a second basement. Well aside from server limitations of course
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihaf_Frethyme View Post
    The HORRENDOUS State of Housing
    Been a problem forever, and the Dev team has apologized a few times that the system didn't work as intended. Yet they can't actually fix it it seems. They did, however, add apartments for all, as a sort of imperfect fix. All of my characters have apartments, my main on Goblin has an awesome apartment. I recommend getting an apartment.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    The problem is there is a massive gap in the quality of content that houses and apartments give. Apartments are just fc rooms with a chocobo stable.

    If apartments could be upgraded to be bigger, have extra floors, a small outdoor space (balcony or penthouse) to do gardening and outdoor decoration, and if fcs could purchase them and use a workshop there then the overall community would be a lot happier with housing in general. If things were like that then players would have access to the same features regardless of whether they own an apartment or house.

    Of course there would still be players who would prefer a house, and understandably so, but they could no longer complain that they're locked out of cross planting, fc workshop and have such a tiny space for furnishing compared to a house.

    Not to mention that those sort of apartment upgrades would be a great gil sink, which the game is in dire need of. I would also like to see similar upgrades for houses. No reason why we can't, for example, get a second basement. Well aside from server limitations of course
    I know there's a big difference but it doesn't change that all players who meet the minimum purchase requirements have access to housing despite what the person I was quoting claims. They can get an apartment while they wait for a house to become available.

    It's not that different from someone trying to get their first place in real life - you're going to settle for what you can get, even if it's cheap and small, until something better becomes available within your budget.

    What's rather sad is too many players won't even give apartments a fair chance because of the way other players trash talk about them. There's quite a bit you can do with apartments if you just give them a try. I've got apartments and FC rooms on my various alts that have living room, kitchen/dining room, bedroom, bathroom and sometimes an extra room (a library in one, an arts and crafts loft in another) all in a single apartment without feeling massively cramped. My apartment for this character has been designed like a real life tiny house with a "window" opening onto an outdoor view made with the planter trees, Verdant Paritions and Carpets of Flowers. Other apartments and FC rooms I have themed for different purposes.

    Yes, we need improvements to the housing system so any player or FC that wants a house can get one. But at least players could give apartments a real chance while they're waiting for SE to add more houses (hopefully through Isghgard Restoration during the last patch of the expansion).
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    It's not that different from someone trying to get their first place in real life - you're going to settle for what you can get, even if it's cheap and small, until something better becomes available within your budget.
    In real life you don't have a situation in which there are literally thousands of people with several times the amount of money needed to buy a house and no company wants to take advantage of this enormous untapped market waiting to throw money at someone.

    In real life you don't have literally -one- choice of a type of apartment to live in even if you have several times the income needed for a small apartment. So if you happen to be in a city where a house isn't an option you can get a nice large apartment instead, and it would even have a balcony.

    You would be wanting to live in some really remote area to struggle so much to find a place to live that a small apartment is your only choice even though you can afford something several times its cost. And in cases such as these people often just get their own house built. With FFXIV it's the housing estates or nothing. You can't buy land outside of those estates and build your own home.

    And I would like to add that I think comparing game homes to real life homes is not very constructive. The circumstances people face when buying a home offline are completely different to online. As are the methods to earn money to be in the position to do so. Homeless millionaires forced to live in small apartments or nothing at all is not something that happens in the real world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    But at least players could give apartments a real chance.
    For some people it's pretty pointless if they're interested in doing something that can only be done with a house.

    I'm not saying no one should give apartments a chance, but I am saying a lot of people won't change their minds even if they do. No matter how cute an apartment is, it does not change the fact that your fc is homeless or that you cannot do crossplanting. And well if they already owned a fc room they know exactly what it's like to have an apartment.
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    Last edited by Penthea; 07-31-2020 at 01:08 PM. Reason: rephrased because it made something very unclear

  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gothicshark View Post
    Been a problem forever, and the Dev team has apologized a few times that the system didn't work as intended. Yet they can't actually fix it it seems. They did, however, add apartments for all, as a sort of imperfect fix. All of my characters have apartments, my main on Goblin has an awesome apartment. I recommend getting an apartment.
    You can suggest apartments until the crows come home to roost, but no one's gonna listen because they want gArDeNiNg.
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  10. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihaf_Frethyme View Post
    The same programmers who are slashing about 15% (time wise) off of the ARR MSQ list because they USED to think that it should take 9 minutes per quest? The same people who are just now implementing a teleport directly to the Waking Sands? They are not above changing things for the better. That's exactly what a raffle system will do.
    There is quite a difference in removing quests than making a whole new housing system.

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyEggs View Post
    Imo they should also make instanced FC districts a thing. If players own a house in their FC district than they can't own a house an non instanced house.
    At this point it already seems like a bit of raffle anyways. At least this way players could walk away and do other things.
    Although I think players should only be able to enter one raffle at a time.
    The problem with that is going away the design SE wants with the wards, creating a housing community. I like how it is now.

    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    Just start charging rent. 10-20% of the max buy-price of the house every month or you lose it. You can pre-pay 2 months in advance. Then also make it sellable for up to 110% of the buy price you initially paid for it. Maybe if we made it less enticing to keep them because there's 0 upkeep there'd be more people willing to admit "I don't actually use this" because it's costing them gil.
    That's a terrible suggestion.

    Quote Originally Posted by KayRadley View Post
    You can suggest apartments until the crows come home to roost, but no one's gonna listen because they want gArDeNiNg.
    A valid complaint on Apartments, you can't do proper gardening with just 3 (or how many it is now) pots. You can't crossbreed which is essential for gardening.
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    Last edited by Luna-M; 08-01-2020 at 08:10 PM. Reason: Daily post limit
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