"Elitism" vs "Casualism"

[Lucy_Pyre]

Regardless, massive pulls aren't the default

Maybe for you or others who have no idea what they're doing on any job they play. For the rest of us, however, they very much are.

[Goji1639]

Maybe for you or others who have no idea what they're doing on any job they play. For the rest of us, however, they very much are.

Eh, if many randoms don't do them and can't seem to handle them then they're not the default. Cry about everyone being bad all you want if it makes you feel special; I'm just stating observable fact. Them being the default expectation for some people doesn't make them the default.

If we're talking common sense, you generally don't default to the method with the highest failure rate when working with random people.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Eh, if many randoms don't do them and can't seem to handle them then they're not the default. Cry about everyone being bad all you want if it makes you feel special; I'm just stating observable fact. Them being the default expectation for some people doesn't make them the default.

If we're talking common sense, you generally don't default to the method with the highest failure rate when working with random people.

Almost every dungeon I get in roulettes is big pulls. Not sure where you're seeing most people not doing this.


Its been the standard since 2.0 lol.

[Goji1639]

Almost every dungeon I get in roulettes is big pulls. Not sure where you're seeing most people not doing this.


Its been the standard since 2.0 lol.

Most dungeons don't even have big pulls. The few that do I only occasionally see people attempt them, and they end in failure frequently enough.

[Melichoir]

Most dungeons don't even have big pulls. The few that do I only occasionally see people attempt them, and they end in failure frequently enough.

Im curious how you define big pulls.

[Goji1639]

Im curious how you define big pulls.

The only recent one I remember is that long stretch in Anyder; I've seen a ton of groups fail that one. Most dungeons seem to gate you after 2-3 packs, though.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The only recent one I remember is that long stretch in Anyder; I've seen a ton of groups fail that one. Most dungeons seem to gate you after 2-3 packs, though.

Yeah, this is what we define as big pulls. All packs between gates. 2-3 packs, depending. I've never seen that pull fail tho.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Eh, if many randoms don't do them and can't seem to handle them then they're not the default. Cry about everyone being bad all you want if it makes you feel special; I'm just stating observable fact. Them being the default expectation for some people doesn't make them the default.

If we're talking common sense, you generally don't default to the method with the highest failure rate when working with random people.

You're stating nothing but nonsense. Rarely do I get into even complete pug DF groups and have the tank pull small when I'm on DPS/healer. As for the huge pull in Anyder, I'd say I see groups wipe to it less than 10% of the time. So iunno man, if you're seeing these huge failure rates on such easy, simple content, I think it's pretty obvious that the underlying issue in all of these occurrences is you.