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  1. #661
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    BloodRubyXII's Avatar
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    Owa Owa
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Shit like this is really discouraging when I'm trying to learn healing and it feels like a struggle :,(
    One day, when you know fights perfectly and you spend 9 minutes doing almost nothing but applying a dot and spamming a single damage cast occasionally weaving in, or using a single healing ability, you will understand exactly why people are upset. Learning to heal for you, I promise, is going to be much more fun than when you actually know how and realise how bored you are.

    Half the reason that when I heal I play Astro is just because more stuff to do rather than watching a Glare castbar, back in the day I favoured old Scholar.
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  2. #662
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    You'll "you'll get there" comments are encouraging, but I don't know if I will get there.
    If endgame is as bad as you say maybe I should just quit now.
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  3. #663
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    Lindis Hrafnvandrar
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    You'll "you'll get there" comments are encouraging, but I don't know if I will get there.
    If endgame is as bad as you say maybe I should just quit now.
    Well! With that attitude, you won't get anywhere.

    Don't be discouraged. Do what you can to the best of your ability, and ask for help when there are things you don't understand. Even if the jobs had retained more of their complexity still -- like, say, the Sch's dps toolkit -- no one would fault you for just focusing on the healing toolkit as you're learning. (And if they were, I wouldn't lend their words any credence.) We all have different personal skill ceilings, but just because you find yourself unable to play the job optimally in the long run doesn't mean you shouldn't find ways to still enjoy it. Don't worry about what you hear others saying. I'm sure you'll do just fine. =)
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    Last edited by Torunya; 07-26-2020 at 02:45 AM. Reason: words
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  4. #664
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    You'll "you'll get there" comments are encouraging, but I don't know if I will get there.
    If endgame is as bad as you say maybe I should just quit now.
    You will get there. You won't realise it at first but as you play more you will realise that you missed a heal here etc or a dps stood in an aoe there and its made no difference to the fight for the most part.

    Its better to heal too much than not enough. As you get more experienced you will heal more efficiently leading yourself to more time to prepare for the next mechanic or use the downtime aspect of your kit

    most of the healers you see here on the forums are veteran healers. the difference between a veteran healer and a new healer is a veteran healer has the experience that they can call on to know, even in a brand new fight, when they will need to heal and when they get to use their downtime tools

    at least if we had any in shb. Its just nuke and single dot for 2 of them. Astros have a borderline meaningless coin flip they can do on pc and hand cramps they can give themselves on controller

    You heal first, then when no healing is required, dps, buff, debuff etc. The reason why so many vet healers hate shb, is because the no healing required % of most duties never gets above 25 or 30% and we don't want to spend 70+% of our time bored to bits pressing broil/malefic/glare over and over

    Life cycle of a healer
    1. Oh no the X took a scratch, heal!
    2. Here's a regen/eos tank, oh you ate a tb? here's a strong heal
    3. Welp, tank's fine, dps stop being idiots please.
    4. No healing, now what...
    5. What can i do while the tank is taking no damage...Glare! Broil! Malefic! BY THE 12 THE TANKS DEAD BECAUSE THEY DIDNT USE A CD
    6. Ok I prepped for the tank buster, i got nothing to heal...eh I'll throw in a nuke and dot, nought else to do atm
    7. *nuking intensifies* zzzzzz- oh! my dot needs a refresh....zzzzzz BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD LILY!!!! zzzzzz
    8. I quit healing. Fed up of SE ignoring healers.
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    Last edited by Recon1o6; 07-26-2020 at 01:25 AM.

  5. #665
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    Owa Owa
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    You'll "you'll get there" comments are encouraging, but I don't know if I will get there.
    If endgame is as bad as you say maybe I should just quit now.
    I love the endgame here, I just don't like how the healer playstyles went from extremely active in it to very basic, that is what the healers on this thread are fighting for and now gives you an understanding of their plight.
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  6. #666
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    Hikari Youko
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    You'll "you'll get there" comments are encouraging, but I don't know if I will get there.
    If endgame is as bad as you say maybe I should just quit now.
    Don't be discouraged, man. I main Tanks but Healers--well, to be fair I only play White Mage, hahaha--are really fun in my opinion, especially when played in high-level/end game content.

    Don't chase "there" so busily, just try to improve at your own pace.
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  7. #667
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    Ultros
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    You'll "you'll get there" comments are encouraging, but I don't know if I will get there.
    If endgame is as bad as you say maybe I should just quit now.
    The best players often deploy a decent understanding of all roles. It's worth leveling many classes, even just to see what fun each brings to the table. It will take a while. Let it.

    Plus, healing a new 24-man raid where everyone is dying everywhere is always going to be fun, and you might want to have a healer job in your arsenal when those roll around.

    (Just don't pick Monk for your first melee at this time.)
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  8. #668
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinks View Post
    And its discouraging to us who have played for years only to have the skill ceiling smashed on our heads.
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    Yep it sucks to know that as you get better at a Role, your gameplay becomes WORSE.

    Quote Originally Posted by PondHollow View Post
    Plus, healing a new 24-man raid where everyone is dying everywhere is always going to be fun, and you might want to have a healer job in your arsenal when those roll around.
    I'd say it's less fun and more tedious / stressful to watch people die to clearly telegraphed attacks repeatedly.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  9. #669
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    Lachelle Kisne
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Good argument as it applies to fighting games, but people go to a fighting game and a theme park MMO for different things.
    He was talking about fighting games, but the idea applies to gaming in general. If you dumb things down, lowering the skill ceiling and removing depth, then people might join, but they'll get bored easily and won't stick around. This applies regardless of whether your game is a fighting game, an MMO, a TTRPG, a platformer, a beat 'em up, or whatever.
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  10. #670
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    Naria Starcatcher
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    I haven't completely quit, but I mostly heal just for Savage or my FC these days. I've swapped from Scholar to White Mage as I find the latter the least awkward to play this expansion (I really miss HW scholar), but healing isn't something I do just for the fun of it anymore.
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    Last edited by Naria; 07-29-2020 at 06:52 AM.

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