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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Has no aether? Well, that can't be true. There are beings there that do have aether, so there's aether in the form of living aether.
    Voidsent are alive in the same way Sin Eaters are, i.e. not at all, Vauthry being a twisted exception till he fully turns into Innocence.

    It's more likely that they just haven't completed a storyboard for it yet.
    They have completed it, since patch 3.5 when we learn of Unulkalhai's true origins

    Quote Originally Posted by Unulkalhai
    The star I failed to save is known to you now as “the void.”
    Though (Forename) knew not that I spoke of my homeland, I have explained to him before the cause of its ruin. A magick was devised to contain a defeated primal's might within a stone known as “auracite.” And the energies which bled from this imperfect vessel gradually corrupted the champions who wielded it.
    These heroes became slaves to an insatiable hunger for aether, eventually transforming into hideous fiends. And none who clung to the faint traces of Light were strong enough to oppose them.
    The demons next turned upon each other in a war which drained the land's aether in ever greater amounts, until one day the star was suddenly swallowed in a flood of Darkness. An entire world unmade in an instant.
    The voidsent you encounter here in this realm are the twisted remnants of once-mortal beings who gnaw on what motes of life force remain...
    Quote Originally Posted by Koji Fox
    The Dark void that we know is void of aether, but you still have the people and animals that were there and they’re aether-starved and trying to break through into our world and suck that aether back into their own.
    Yes, it is possible that they retcon this, but as far as we know, they have not, and until then I am staying with what we know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    Staying with what we know.
    Just cause something isn't alive by some arbitrary standard doesn't mean it's not using or does not possess aether. Sin Eaters show a lesser degree of sentience than Voidsent, most of whom speak and fulfill every mark for a living being.

    Yeah, I already know about Unulkalhai, as well as Cylva/Cyella. They keep adding to it, little by little. Pretty much confirming that, no, their story ideas for it are not yet complete or will continue to have additions. Also once-mortal implies they have become immortal, which seems to be the case since when you look at voidsent like the one from the RDM questline, they are around for hundreds and thousands of years. Heck, look at Diabolos and all of the Voidsent summoned by Mhach. Then remember that they all speak, have wills of their own, and have unique aether trails.

    As for what Koji said, well, look at the in game material. The World of Darkness may be aether starved, but there's certainly aether there. Right in the gameplay. In order to go in line with what Koji says, they'd have to remove all the crystals, remove Atomos Prime, and then come up with another energy based thing to attribute to why the Voidsent are so powerful still and how they wield magicks and the like. It'd make more sense to say, the lesser voidsent break into our world/want to come to our world for more aether, cause they can't beat or kill the other void beings to suckle on that aether. The Void has aether, and it's caught up in the beings there, and in the few crystals and landmasses that remain.
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    With all this stuff going on with Graha, i'm gonna feel so bad for Lyna. Those two are both in love with each other but haven't said it. Everyone is feeling bad for WOL missing him if he dies but Lyna is gonna have her world taken. The biggest death flag was focusing on them being together in one of the updates. That's gonna hurt me more to be honest. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwitchingFool0 View Post
    With all this stuff going on with Graha, i'm gonna feel so bad for Lyna. Those two are both in love with each other but haven't said it. Everyone is feeling bad for WOL missing him if he dies but Lyna is gonna have her world taken. The biggest death flag was focusing on them being together in one of the updates. That's gonna hurt me more to be honest. :/
    Uhm, they aren't in love with each other in that sense. It's more of a familiar love as she sees the Exarch as a father figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RicaRuin View Post
    Uhm, they aren't in love with each other in that sense. It's more of a familiar love as she sees the Exarch as a father figure.
    I think there's more to it than that at this point. Felt more than familial love from Lyna anyways.
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    I want to clarify once again, I don't think we'll be world-hopping in the immediate next expansion, and obviously I have no idea what they plan for those after. As it stands right now we've spent long enough away from the world we're fighting for, and if we just started chain-hopping across worlds then we would lose touch with events in Eorzea. There's still more of Hydaelyn to be explored, like Meracydia, Sharlayan, Thavnair, the New World and Ilsabard itself. Not to mention whatever's beneath that cloud cover on the edge of Othard.

    However, I'm not going to write off more world-hopping as a possibility later given the loose threads already in play related to at least one of them. As it stands we know more about the Void than any other remaining Reflections.

    Quote Originally Posted by TwitchingFool0 View Post
    With all this stuff going on with Graha, i'm gonna feel so bad for Lyna. Those two are both in love with each other but haven't said it.
    Lyna has mentioned before that the Exarch essentially raised her after the Flood. Her concern for his well-being isn't romantic.

    If anything, the way the Exarch speaks about the Warrior of Light hints more towards a romantic connection than the way he speaks of or to Lyna. He would take Lyna's loss hard if she fell in battle, but she is Captain of the Guard so he has to face that fact regularly, while keeping a level of distance from her in expectation of his own death; meanwhile he was fully planning to die for the WoL.
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    Guess i'll have to find a way to rewatch their later stuff since NG+ isn't a thing for after SHB updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwitchingFool0 View Post
    Guess i'll have to find a way to rewatch their later stuff since NG+ isn't a thing for after SHB updates.
    While there isnt yet a NG+ for Shadowbringers part 3, you can always rewatch most cutscenes from the Unending Journey, available in inn rooms or player housing. Unless the things you are looking are in the cutscenes not in the journey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwitchingFool0 View Post
    Guess i'll have to find a way to rewatch their later stuff since NG+ isn't a thing for after SHB updates.
    My Let's Play just reached Stormblood, so it won't be for a few more weeks yet, but my LP will have all of the cutscenes with commentary in the near future. There's also other LPs and there was also a YT channel, small, called like AuroraGamer or something like that. She's catalogued every cutscene I think.

    Of course, the inn room diary is available to you too, if your subscription is still active, like MrThinker said.
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    Regarding the voidsent being hungry for aether, remember what we learned about the sin eaters? they are hungry for living aether

    Living aether so to speak has a balance of astral and umbral aether. With the sin eaters overaspected with one kind, they have the primal urge to go after the opposite either to rebalance themselves or convert it to their own

    So with the voidsent, the same would be true, just the opposite kind of aether. Which means the bulk of the thirteenth is a dark reflection of the empty.


    Which makes the power of Eden and Omega extremely disconcerting- Eden can outright manipulate any element and may have been the true reason the flood started. We still don't know what it was about Eden that made it register on Ryne's vision and the theory Urianger had about it being the first sin eater is questionable given its some sort of living machine.
    Omega plausibly had the same power as Eden as it could create life even if the beings lacked a soul but tthe Ascians never did much with it besides having allag study it.
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