Regarding Firmament Titles For 5.3

[MrThinker]

You, are the 2%.

Everyone else has pretty much stated that they 1. Do not want to compete again because it was unhealthy 2. Said they don't want to compete again or feel compelled to compete again 3. Don't think the titles should change 4. Yoshi had said that those who made top 12 wouldn't be eligible to compete again and they want him to stay true to that word. 5. That the titles/achievements would be the same every competition and we don't want that to change. 6. That we want to give others a chance to win the title, others with less time than we have.

But, you are exactly the type of person that our argument talks about. Those who will win every single season and those who don't care about others having a chance. That is why those who have already made top 12 don't need to compete again, and why the titles should remain the same.

Umm, I feel like you don't realize that Lecru was the one who started this thread to emphasize that the majority of people who actually participate don't want the titles changed.

Most of your points are among what he has stated, except the whole "saints will not participate even with new titles" to which he disagreed. And I know that quite a few people who hold "saint" will participate again if there is a new title/achievement, precisely because it is different. Even if they themselves dislike the grind as much as anyone else. It's not about being selfish, it's just a new rare thing that a limited amount of people can obtain that no one has yet, and everyone is eligible for.

The real problem is that I cannot find anywhere that Yoshi P directly stated that those who won titles before would be no longer eligible for ranking in future seasons. The best I can find is that he said those who won titles would no longer have a good reason to rank.

[Lecru]

You, are the 2%.

Everyone else has pretty much stated that they 1. Do not want to compete again because it was unhealthy 2. Said they don't want to compete again or feel compelled to compete again 3. Don't think the titles should change 4. Yoshi had said that those who made top 12 wouldn't be eligible to compete again and they want him to stay true to that word. 5. That the titles/achievements would be the same every competition and we don't want that to change. 6. That we want to give others a chance to win the title, others with less time than we have.

But, you are exactly the type of person that our argument talks about. Those who will win every single season and those who don't care about others having a chance. That is why those who have already made top 12 don't need to compete again, and why the titles should remain the same.

Negative. They do not WANT to. But if they make NEW titles. They WILL do it again for new rewards. That is what everyone is saying. Not just here. The VAST MAJORITY though is agreeing they should keep them the same. Therefore not giving us reason to do it again. You really need to go back and look at what has been said and what I myself said. You seem to be highly confused here

[Lecru]

Umm, I feel like you don't realize that Lecru was the one who started this thread to emphasize that the majority of people who actually participate don't want the titles changed.

Most of your points are among what he has stated, except the whole "saints will not participate even with new titles" to which he disagreed. And I know that quite a few people who hold "saint" will participate again if there is a new title/achievement, precisely because it is different. Even if they themselves dislike the grind as much as anyone else. It's not about being selfish, it's just a new rare thing that a limited amount of people can obtain that no one has yet, and everyone is eligible for.

The real problem is that I cannot find anywhere that Yoshi P directly stated that those who won titles before would be no longer eligible for ranking in future seasons. The best I can find is that he said those who won titles would no longer have a good reason to rank.

Thank you. I was quite literally posting when you replied. He also didn't state that. It seems to just be a thing they think should happen.

[Commander_Justitia]

Title should stay same, simply because of health issues - I know some people would go insane for them. And well, they announced they stay same at the start.

And generally would have been nice to get lower tier pvp titles within a season as well, in case you got the higher one rewarded, similar how the crafting season gave out multiple titles. But that's gonna stay forever the same lol.

[WhyAmIHere]

The opinion of the dev team to change the titles because "not doing so devalues the titles of the last round" is preposterous. You tout the number of players in the game reaching what, 20 million subscribers? Spread across all the different data centers and worlds therein, only 100 players will get a title from this, and of those only 12 will get a more "advanced" title.

Regardless of other points and merits made about "going back on your word," the logic of wanting to "maintain the prestige of the titles" is already erroneous enough at best given the sheer mass of players vying for a ranking.

Please do not go through with this decision.

[Lecru]

The opinion of the dev team to change the titles because "not doing so devalues the titles of the last round" is preposterous. You tout the number of players in the game reaching what, 20 million subscribers? Spread across all the different data centers and worlds therein, only 100 players will get a title from this, and of those only 12 will get a more "advanced" title.

Regardless of other points and merits made about "going back on your word," the logic of wanting to "maintain the prestige of the titles" is already erroneous enough at best given the sheer mass of players vying for a ranking.

Please do not go through with this decision.

Oh honey no. 20 million do not subscribe. 20 million accounts have been made. It's not the same thing xD

Further. We look to them to keep their word on things. A TEN DAY "competition" for a title, telling us we won't have to do anything like it again if we succeed the first time, is a dick move no matter what way you slice it. Factor in the fact that even the smallest of breaks could put you down near the bottom or off the charts thanks to bots. And it's even worse. Now. That being said. If they kept it the same. But yeah. Those numbers I wish tehy would be a little more truthful about as far as what they mean. WoW does the same thing

[WhyAmIHere]

Oh honey no. 20 million do not subscribe. 20 million accounts have been made. It's not the same thing xD

Further. We look to them to keep their word on things. A TEN DAY "competition" for a title, telling us we won't have to do anything like it again if we succeed the first time, is a dick move no matter what way you slice it. Factor in the fact that even the smallest of breaks could put you down near the bottom or off the charts thanks to bots. And it's even worse. Now. That being said. If they kept it the same. But yeah. Those numbers I wish tehy would be a little more truthful about as far as what they mean. WoW does the same thing

on the first point i know. I know saying "we have 20 million players!" is more for the shareholders.

I am generally not a fan of FOMO, and when combined with Yoshida's policy of "it's okay to take a break" whilst also running content like this, where less people will earn these titles than Ultimate clear title holders? Not a fan of this.

I consider myself lucky to have placed at all round 1, and even with new titles i'm already not planning to put in any effort because it's a lot of work for little pay off. Shouldn't have gone through with this decision either way is all i'm saying.

[Lecru]

on the first point i know. I know saying "we have 20 million players!" is more for the shareholders.

I am generally not a fan of FOMO, and when combined with Yoshida's policy of "it's okay to take a break" whilst also running content like this, where less people will earn these titles than Ultimate clear title holders? Not a fan of this.

I consider myself lucky to have placed at all round 1, and even with new titles i'm already not planning to put in any effort because it's a lot of work for little pay off. Shouldn't have gone through with this decision either way is all i'm saying.

Oh I completely agree. I feel terrible for those that just didn't try because they were told it'd be the same and could try the next time. Or for some reason couldn't continue and stopped because they thought the same thing

[Ryaz]

I agree with most others that adding a new title is odd and goes back on what SE originally said. I got top 3 alchemist and got my top 12 title in the first go. I figured I could be happy with that, back off on the crafting and let others have a chance at the title the next season. Now, there's another title that I'm going to feel compelled to grind for.

I'm thinking they did it because they fear people won't craft enough for the next stage of the Firmament or something. Even though people will grind it out like crazy no matter what. Easiest thing to do would be to just not allow those who got top 12 the first time to not get it again, but keep the title the same for future players.

Now, those players are going to be pushed out by the hardcore crafters again.

[Vahlnir]

I'm thinking they did it because they fear people won't craft enough for the next stage of the Firmament or something. Even though people will grind it out like crazy no matter what.

Despite adding so many glamour options to the game, they seem to underestimate just how much people will grind for something as simple as an umbrella or a pair of pants at times.