Thread: Regarding Firmament Titles For 5.3

I have Saint as well, and I agree with what people are saying throughout this thread.

This is bad both for the people that finished top 12/100 the first time around, and it is bad for the people that did not get these titles. The former may feel they have to defend the titles, and the latter may feel they could get shut out again.

I'm all for helping the rebuild, even with another title not on the line. The competition can cause burnout, so the restoration efforts could easily take a hit post-season.

Please dont go against your words..You said at the start that (to make it more fair and reachable by a bigger amount of people) you wont change the titles for each new round..with that anyone could over time try to get it. This would have been a great way and quite the improvement. Get those that are hardcore and some of the botters out of the way in the first one to two seasons and afterwards people less hardcore might give it a try.

If you now change it up and give us new titles for each one this will only make it harder for everyone. Those that did it hardcore last time have to do it again (and 10 days is a lot..) while now anyone will know that they might never reach the title after that thus also put in more work..this just creates unhealty playstyles and botting..

I would really like to know why you are planning to go against a good idea and make it into something worse? I have heard of no big complaints with the system that is in place right now..so why change it?

So basically, no one anywhere seems to think this was a good or fair idea to have new titles. So why the heck did SE decide to do this? What kind of people do we have running this game that are consistently this completely out of touch with what ANYONE wants?

Originally Posted by Espritduo

So basically, no one anywhere seems to think this was a good or fair idea to have new titles. So why the heck did SE decide to do this? What kind of people do we have running this game that are consistently this completely out of touch with what ANYONE wants?

Yeah I honestly dont get it. When they announced their plans at the very start people were happy with the solution because hearing about crafting/gathering pvp first created the exact fear that will happen now if they change it up..that it will only be for the hardcore and the cheaters..and the hardcores will suffer from this by having to nearly no-life it..and everyone else will be left in the dust...another part of content useless. With their first strategy this would have been a perfect way to give everyone a chance..to make it more healthy, to stop bots from just spamming it and its a great incentive when even a more casual player might have a chance to win..

Originally Posted by Espritduo

So basically, no one anywhere seems to think this was a good or fair idea to have new titles. So why the heck did SE decide to do this? What kind of people do we have running this game that are consistently this completely out of touch with what ANYONE wants?

A lot of people i have talked to on discord are for new titles me included because i think that the titles should remain exclusive i think their change of mind is great.
I'm happy if they went to a middleground like the titles remain the same but people who got them in x season also get a unique title.

I'm another player who got both titles in 5.21.

I believe the dev team should keep to their original word. Retain the old leaderboard titles and achievements. Give players who didn't get the titles in 5.21 their chance to get them in the future as they were told they would have.

An explanation of why the dev team believes this change is necessary and good for the game would be nice as well. I can only see it causing harm as more players end up encouraged to turn to using bots to get what they want from the game since that will end up the only way to get into the top rankings.

Originally Posted by Ryuler

A lot of people i have talked to on discord are for new titles me included because i think that the titles should remain exclusive i think their change of mind is great.
I'm happy if they went to a middleground like the titles remain the same but people who got them in x season also get a unique title.

You can only speak for yourself, not for those you were speaking to in the Discord. If they think the same way as you, get them to come to this thread and share their opinion. Try to prove to SE that most players are in favor of new titles.

Personally I don't care about those at all, they would make me feel dirty because mostly botters have them and some no lifers like me.

I agree that the achievements and titles should remain the same.

I'm admittedly a bit upset not only because this means I'll have to compete with the botters along with the omnicrafters with massive amounts of time and help EVERY time a new season comes out, but I also skipped the last round because I was under the impression that I'd be able to get the same title later, and I wanted to let those listed above get their titles first so I didn't have to burn myself out trying to get ranked among them. But now I can't even get that first title, which I would have tried to get if I had known at the time that they'd do this.

This also discourages people who are newer or have less time to actively try to gain these titles, so only the same group of people will get them over and over. Tbh, it's killed a good portion of my excitement over the coming patch and the new restoration season. :/

I want new titles or the ability to rank top 100 again and take a spot so exclusivity is kept.
That's my opinion though i'm all for new titles but if not alteast take measure to keep the titles extra exclusive!

I 100% agree with Square Enix's initial vision of only needing to compete ONCE in order to get into the top 12. They said if you managed to place, you would NOT need to do this again in other ranking periods because the achievement/titles would be the same. Now they go and do a 180? Why? It's not helping anyone. This is coming from someone who put an unhealthy amount of hours towards this in the 1st ranking period in order to secure top 12. The achievement hunters for the most part and/or botters will end up being the same group of people taking these top spots away from all the other crafters/gatherers who do not have the same hours to commit towards this. The top 12 will again be unreachable for over 99% of the playerbase. Keep the same titles. Do not go back on what you said you were going to do.