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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    It's not a rated M game. The parent did their job. Now, it is up to both SE and the community to make sure it is appropriate for teens. Most parents would be fine with the actual content of FFXIV.

    If you can't figure out how to avoid ERPing with minors, then you should not do it. Don't do it with people you don't know.

    Adult jokes exist in kids cartoons as well. It's not an invitation to advertise ERP or ERP with minors.
    Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB

    Just because the game is rated teen doesn't mean anything when its a MMO.
    It just means people that age group is old enough to view what the game depicts.
    You're taking the game rating WAY too literal.

    And yes I will keep blaming the parents.
    The reason why so many teenagers do the dumb stuff over the net is because they basically have free reign, unsupervised ability to do w/e they want because most parents don't really care what they're doing online as long as its not IRL.
    And when something bad happens, its often too late.

    and you can calling it victim blaming to push your agenda.
    Its a parent job to protect their kid and if you know they're easily influenced, lured, a follower; maybe they shouldn't let their kid play a MMO?

    Parents have a lot of tools to prevent these things but they don't do it and rather just blame someone else.
    Like letting their kids play GTA5 and then get mad at rockstar for why their kid cusses like a sailor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violyre View Post
    It also says "online interactions not rated by the ESRB." Did you forget that?



    No no, you don't get to cop out that easily. YOU proposed the idea. YOU come up with a proposal to solve the problem. We can work off YOUR proposal to improve it. It's not just a game thing. This happens in EVERY community on the internet. YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S ON THE OTHER END!



    Different concepts. One is subtle, the other is more direct.
    That does not matter. That's just SE trying to protect itself, when someone does something wrong. It does not mean SE won't crack down or a government won't start investigations into players if something happens.

    It's not my responsibility to come up with a plan for people to ERP properly, since I don't ERP. Getting to know people and who they are on a natural level is a possibility.

    The mentions of lust and the adult jokes in cartoons are about the same level. They are obvious to adults.

    Quote Originally Posted by xxvaynxx View Post
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    See above on the rating.

    Parents giving the green light for a teen to play a teen game is not bad parenting. I don't have an agenda, at least not the one you think I have. I am giving consideration to ERPers, despite the fact that some of them really don't deserve it for putting people in harms way. If you want to ERP, you are going to have to find a different way to not put people in harm's way. SE wants it rated teen, so teens can play. If they did not want teens to play, they would have gone in a different direction. Teens are meant to play this game, which is why it is rated T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    That does not matter. That's just SE trying to protect itself, when someone does something wrong. It does not mean SE won't crack down or a government won't start investigations into players if something happens.
    Okay. How is that different from people putting up "18+ only?" It's the same exact concept. The brothels are protecting themselves, in case something goes wrong. Why are there no complaints about the players who use PF to sell runs? I humored myself just now and inquired to a couple of them. It's definitely RMT. That's against the TOS too, yet I see the same names for months on end. And most of those people aren't in league with the gilsellers, these are actual players who have geared themselves to be able to do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    It's not my responsibility to come up with a plan for people to ERP properly, since I don't ERP. Getting to know people and who they are on a natural level is a possibility.
    Not something that can easily be done in the short time many of these places are open, usually only around four hours from what I've seen. Even if we were somehow allowed to ask for ID and they gave it, it doesn't mean it's real or even theirs. The next step would be to make people go physically find those people, take their ID, look for any signs of fakery or tampering, run them against the database that has that info, background checks, etc. How far down this hole would you like to go? Because it's going to happen whether it's advertised or not.

    The only thing that punishing these people is going to do is make them find cute ways to describe it, or ways around banned words, like the gilsellers do.
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