Regarding Firmament Titles For 5.3

[WoofWoof]

100% agree with Brielle Silverwood.

Titles should remain the same throughout all seasons.

[RyuSaarva]

I will add my opinion to the mix as well. As one of the people that went all out and fought for a top 12 place barely sleeping, rushing back from work (yes I wasn't send home, essential worker after all), living off of fastfood cause otherwise I'd loose any chance of earning the titles. I didn't earn them both. According to Yoshi P I didn't earn them because I wasn't dedicated enough. I am utterly dissappointed that's the wording he chooses to descripe me not being able to no-life this content. I put my own life at risk and all I get is "you weren't dedicated enough to get this time limited stuff that we said would be back every week/month".

If they were to keep the titles (like they initially said they would), make it a weekly/monthly competetion (like they said they would), everyone would have a chance at being the firmanents hero. But by changing the titles each patch and only having one competetion a patch, the team is basically saying that if you weren't self-isolating in phase 2, you couldn't get these titles. I found solace in the fact that when these leaderboards would reset after the first competetion I'd have another shot, cause well another try, but also the people that got the title/achievement in the first run would not need to the second run of the leaderboards.

Yes it's a competetion, but as a lot of people also mentions, PvP has the same titles every season, you don't get locked out of getting those titles because you don't participate in a specific season. I'm not a fan of time limited content in general. It just shows you were fortunate enough to be able to put in that dedication at that specific time. Everything (titles, achievements, mounts etc.) should be available to anyone at any given time in my opinion.

Another point I wanna share is that this is an MMO, to me that means you work together on a common goal, and this sort of competetion, I've never felt more like a solo player... ever. I was egoistic, not participating in any other events in the game that I'd usually stop what I was doing to join in on. This is NOT what I want in an MMORPG. I want to see a reason to play with other people in the content that I'm presented and a ranking leaderboard as it was implemented does not make me wanna work together with anyone.

Please reuse the titles for every single leaderboard ranking ever to exist and make the leaderboard ranking more frequent.

I don't think I ever crafted more than 3 hours a day during this event so you must play very few hours and still expect to earn pvp seasonal titles for some reason.

[RyuSaarva]

I thought you did Expert Crafts yourself? You're making 30 (the 5 leeway) and you'd never do one in 2 minutes. They don't work like that, generally an average of 4-5. Remember you're fine tuning your method with practice materials first before even starting and you only get those 30 tries so to hit top 12 you're being careful and making every craft count with 0 mistakes and max efficiency. No Patient/Rapid spam and toss the fails aside and go again.

Now 30 crafts is hardly a set number, I'm just tossing ideas out in the moment on the forums and a team of developers could fine tune something from it. But the point is there are far better ways of handling the ranked seasons.

I have done some in less than 2 minutes the average is 2 minutes and 20+ seconds.

[Lecru]

With FFXIV becoming THE most popular MMORPG: This is a big decision. This will show new players and potential players how well you listen to your player base, SE. I know that Yoshi cares a great deal about this game, and the players.

Please listen to us.

Even if you change the titles to reflect which contest was won: If we placed in the top 12 the first time, we should NOT be able to participate in future Ishgardian Restoration events. I say this AS a Saint of the Firmament: It is NOT fair to everyone else who would like to try again, or try for the first time. I think the unique titles per event are neat! But I should not be able to compete again. That's just not right. Please, I literally beg of you Yoshi: Do not let those with the Saint of the Firmament title participate. Thank you.

Sorry, but locking more exclusive titles away from others wont' help. It will only cause more backlash from collectors of items/titles/mounts/etc. if you won the first round, keeping the title the same will make them not want to participate again. There is nothing in it for them. Changing it gives those same people something new to go after. But if they lock it out. They will piss off a huge amount of the playerbase in doing so if there are added rewards/titles

[Lecru]

Please don't forget to give the first post a like.
They actually use that system to judge popularity of something.

Perhaps reading through the Japanese concerns if you are able (it's mostly asking for clarification over anything) and liking that too, since we all know how much more they listen to JP players...

Thanks Canadane

[Lecru]

Another Saint, here. Made 4th Miner on Ultros during the first season and it was

absolutely.

horrible. Not a fun experience just to maintain a spot on the board, I admit, its on me, I fell for the clout factor of being among the first people with the title but that was with the understanding that the achievement and title would still be the same in the following seasons and I wouldn't have to go through that hell again.

I'm fiercely against the idea of having new achievements and titles this time around, because, well,
1. we were told it would be the same title, a one and done thing. Its shitty for people who gave up on the grind last season thinking 'oh well i'll get it next time around.'

2. Bot issues, plenty addressed in the thread already.

3. Honestly, I think most legit-Saints of the Firmaments can agree that it was not an enjoyable grind and we were all grateful it was over when we got it done.

Oh Hydaelyn no, it wasn't fun AT ALL. I woke up, started crafting. Watched YouTube and Netflix for 10 days straight pretty much. 5 hour naps a day to keep going. BUT, again, as pointed out int he main thread and throughout. We did it in the name of competition AND being told we wouldn't have to do it again because we'd have "Graduated". And that it would stay the same throughout.

[Angellos]

The thing that gets me is just how many Saints of the Firmament are here saying:

"We should not be able to, nor do we WANT to participate again."

Just as well: Saint Ascendant makes it sound like you have ascended above the other Saints. Which is going to make try hards (like myself) want to go for the new titles. Which is why this is all wrong. (Keep in mind even if you don't revert this - I will still choose not to participate simply because I am not a selfish person. I want someone else to win a title too.)

This just feels wrong. This doesn't feel GOOD at all, for anyone. The ONLY people who I heard say this is a great idea are from people who already got the title who want another one. I've only heard that this is a good idea from really angry, selfish, self-entitled people and that is NOT the type of person SE caters to: Or at least, I would hate to believe that they would cater to that crowd.

Please go back to what you originally said:

The titles will remain the same: And Top 12 participants will not be eligible for future participation.

[Lecru]

The thing that gets me is just how many Saints of the Firmament are here saying:

"We should not be able to, nor do we WANT to participate again."

Just as well: Saint Ascendant makes it sound like you have ascended above the other Saints. Which is going to make try hards (like myself) want to go for the new titles. Which is why this is all wrong. (Keep in mind even if you don't revert this - I will still choose not to participate simply because I am not a selfish person. I want someone else to win a title too.)

This just feels wrong. This doesn't feel GOOD at all, for anyone. The ONLY people who I heard say this is a great idea are from people who already got the title who want another one. I've only heard that this is a good idea from really angry, selfish, self-entitled people and that is NOT the type of person SE caters to: Or at least, I would hate to believe that they would cater to that crowd.

Please go back to what you originally said:

The titles will remain the same: And Top 12 participants will not be eligible for future participation.

Well I mean that's the thing right. Most people want everything in the game. All Mounts. Titles. Minions. Clear the raids. Etc. But like you said. "Ascendant" sounds like you're better than the ones that got it the first time. Kind of a slap in the face to those that almost killed themselves crafting day in and day out to get their ranking. However, much like a lot of us said. We DO want others to get the titles we got too. But if they introduce a new title. We ARE going to go for it. Is it fair? Probably not. But it is ANOTHER thing to get. But they shouldn't do it. They should stick to what they said in the beginning. Once you "Graduate" you're done. You will never have to do it again. Meaning all the titles would be the same

[YatoShishi]

I agree with that the Title should remain the same. Squer has to stop encourage and reward unhealthy behavior in this game. People already dont sleep to get a house, now its for a title.

[Phantasmal]

Part 1/2

SotF here who had it easy, and will likely have it easy getting Saint Ascended.


Short (tl;dr): I like the idea of patch-by-patch exclusive titles for those playing at the upper echelons of the game, but the system needs a rework as a whole if they wanna do it as such.




Long: I have trouble acknowledging the Firmament Leaderboards as a "competition" between high level crafters. It comes off as incredibly flawed because, for a competition, the system is rewarding the wrong players for the wrong things.

Server Equality: I needed about 4 hours total to get a comfortable top 12 ranking on my server's leaderboards. (This time includes the initial learning curve that came with Expert Crafts.) Some folks, however, needed to devote upwards of 5~10x as much time for their own titles. The fact that my investment resulted in a title equal to those that had to get 5x as many points as me is a problem already. [Curious how this system would look with a Data Center, or entire game-wide leaderboard. Not claiming it would be better or worse, just curious.] I understand the intention of this was to be recognizable as one of your server's biggest contributors, but it doesn't change that fact that its a bit broken. (Also you could just server transfer and that intention of the title would be moot.)

Competitive Values In Question: The current system rewards time more than player skill. There is nothing wrong with having grindy achievements, but having an entire competition, made for the best crafters in the game, based almost entirely around who can sacrifice more of their day isn't as rewarding as something more skill-based. Someone mentioned a possible fix early, having a set amount of turn-ins available and you just gotta show your stuff within a limited pool of attempts. I think that would be pretty neat, and most certainly more engaging that creating 500~1000+ of the same thing. It would also open up the possibility for those with less time in their day to get an honest chance at the leaderboards. Those at the top would be the best crafters in the game, not necessarily those with the most amount of time on their hands.

Grind Heavy Reward Already Exists: If the devs wanted a reward for those who *really* pushed the Skybuilders' envelope and crafted thousands upon thousands of expert crafts, it already exists in one of the most exclusive mounts in the game, the Pteranodon. It's admittedly not the best looking mount in the game (I would have made it obnoxiously golden, or you know, something actually tied to Ishgard), but it's requirements are so absurd that it puts me in awe when I see someone riding one.

[Continued in next post.]