Invulns: Problems and Solutions

[DWolfwood]

Sounds like every fight would become a boring fest of spam every cooldown.

This mentality is kinda funny since that's literally what we do with dps CDs.

That said, I think invulns are fine. I would be much more interested in gameplay that was designed around "TANKING" rotations. As in, the damage coming in was not survivable on a constant basis without proper play, not JUST the occasional tank buster.

They could give us longer tank CDs (30s), more of them, etc.

Eddit - And to add to this, I think invulns provide a unique opportunity for gameplay that should remain.

[Ultimatecalibur]

That said, I think invulns are fine. I would be much more interested in gameplay that was designed around "TANKING" rotations. As in, the damage coming in was not survivable on a constant basis without proper play, not JUST the occasional tank buster.

Funnily enough the ARR and HW EX and Savage fights were mostly built that way. Tank swaps occurred more often than not because the tank ran out of mitigation cooldowns and would not be able to survive until they came off cooldown. The one flaw of this design was that once geared well enough (i.e. having 20% to 30% more hp than entry level) a lot of that content could be solo tanked.

[DWolfwood]

Funnily enough the ARR and HW EX and Savage fights were mostly built that way. Tank swaps occurred more often than not because the tank ran out of mitigation cooldowns and would not be able to survive until they came off cooldown. The one flaw of this design was that once geared well enough (i.e. having 20% to 30% more hp than entry level) a lot of that content could be solo tanked.

Yeah, no. I did all the endgame content at release in ARR and HW (all before nerfs etc.)

And none of it came close to actual tanking rotations.

If you're interested in what I mean, you should check out FFXI sometime. Just like XIV, you don't see the combat come together until level cap, and that game doesn't have a GCD. Instead, at higher levels, with haste etc, you'll be pressing OGCDs nonstop and tanks have to constantly be juggling their tank CDs and tank spells to survive.

[Absurdity]

Instead, at higher levels, with haste etc, you'll be pressing OGCDs nonstop and tanks have to constantly be juggling their tank CDs and tank spells to survive.

That can quickly turn the gameplay into a chore as well. Take ESO for example, you're constantly spamming abilties, like every 0.5 seconds constantly, either to keep up several buffs with different timers, several dots with different timers, spamming spells or magicka/stamina regen abilities all while spamming light or heavy attack at the same time. This might be more engaging than XIV for a while but you quickly get into handcramps territory and doesn't exactly require many braincells either because everything has such a low or non-existent cooldown.

[DWolfwood]

That can quickly turn the gameplay into a chore as well. Take ESO for example, you're constantly spamming abilties, like every 0.5 seconds constantly, either to keep up several buffs with different timers, several dots with different timers, spamming spells or magicka/stamina regen abilities all while spamming light or heavy attack at the same time. This might be more engaging than XIV for a while but you quickly get into handcramps territory and doesn't exactly require many braincells either because everything has such a low or non-existent cooldown.

I'm not saying to transfer XI gameplay to here.

What I'd like here if the rotation was simply replacing the DPS rotation with a tank rotation. No fewer or more button presses.

[Absurdity]

I'm not saying to transfer XI gameplay to here.

What I'd like here if the rotation was simply replacing the DPS rotation with a tank rotation. No fewer or more button presses.

Our dps rotations are already so basic that replacing them wouldn't give us more engaging gameplay, it would simply be the same as it is now just with us doing no dps whatsoever.


I did play WoW back when tanking was mainly about mitigating as much damage as possible and looking back at it it wasn't more engaging than XIV is, you stacked as much defense, block and parry as you could and spammed Sunder Armor and Shield Block. The thing that was a whole lot more engaging was everything around it. The scale of the raid, the 24-39 other people with you, the spectacle of it and the fact that your job, while extremely mundane, was important. If you died it was most likely the end for everyone else.