This game needs Savage solo content and Savage 4 player.

[TheRealQuah]

I would like some legit challenging content to work on, but I don't want to have to track down 7 other competent players minimum to do it.

I'm willing to bet it's not mainly the difficulty of Savage content that discourages people; it's the inconvenience. Some legit difficult content that's actually convenient/consistent to access will probably improve the communities overall skill level as well.

Savage level content requires teamwork. Which requires giving and receiving advice. It's not for you. Besides, giving advice to improve skill level is incredibly rude and as long as we clear the content with at least 1 second left, I can just go through pressing 1 or 2 buttons and be hard carried. Hey, we cleared right?

If they add new tiers of content they can adjust ilvls accordingly.


Sorry, but I don't buy this at all. World of Warcraft does difficult 4 man content just fine, as have plenty of other MMO's.

"All 4 mans have to be piss easy because if the Healer or Tank dies the group will wipe!" just strikes me as being an incredibly lazy attempt at an excuse.

What difficult 4 man content is there in WoW?

[Goji1639]

Clemency would absolutely need to be adjusted if Savage solo content were to be introduced.

I don't think Clemency would need to be adjusted. Solo Savage content should have strict DPS requirements by role; a PLD spamming Clemency would never clear it.

Savage level content requires teamwork. Which requires giving and receiving advice. It's not for you. Besides, giving advice to improve skill level is incredibly rude and as long as we clear the content with at least 1 second left, I can just go through pressing 1 or 2 buttons and be hard carried. Hey, we cleared right?



What difficult 4 man content is there in WoW?

lol, you need to get over your obsession with me.

WoW has Mythic+ dungeons, though I guess those are technically 5 player.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I don't think Clemency would need to be adjusted. Solo Savage content should have strict DPS requirements by role; a PLD spamming Clemency would never clear it.


lol, you need to get over your obsession with me.

WoW has Mythic+ dungeons, though I guess those are technically 5 player.

Anything adjusted for all other jobs with less self healing than PLD would make it a cakewalk for PLD, and not even necessary to spam it.

[Risvertasashi]

Well, looks like you're getting your savage solo content in 5.3. According to the devs you'll wipe in <10 seconds if you aren't prepared and perhaps even if you are, heh.

[Goji1639]

Anything adjusted for all other jobs with less self healing than PLD would make it a cakewalk for PLD, and not even necessary to spam it.

You adjust it by roles. Tank DPS is relatively balanced, so if you make the DPS check super tight then even just a few Clemencies would probably derail a PLD.

Well, looks like you're getting your savage solo content in 5.3. According to the devs you'll wipe in <10 seconds if you aren't prepared and perhaps even if you are, heh.

I haven't looked too much into 5.3, but that sounds nice. I hope it's good.

[KageTokage]

There's only so many things you can do to make a solo fight in such a small space difficult, yet actually possible.

I'm expecting a lot of mechanics you can't realistically react to/avoid without prior knowledge; thus making the whole spectating aspect important.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

You adjust it by roles. Tank DPS is relatively balanced, so if you make the DPS check super tight then even just a few Clemencies would probably derail a PLD.

If you tune it so that any tank but PLD can barely survive it, PLD is going to have an easier time (and therefore be the tank of choice in detriment to all others) due to the relative OPness of Clemency. No spamming necessary either.

Clemency being overpowered doesn't have much to do with people incorrectly spamming it in duties. You can survive much better than other tanks using it sparingly and not spamming it.

And to make it a time-sensitive issue, with tight DPS check, you can't have tuned to survivability as well. You'd have to pick one, you can't have something require 100% uptime and also require you to survive at any cost (sacrificing DPS for your self heals). Ofc this only applies to a solo thing.

[Goji1639]

If you tune it so that any tank but PLD can barely survive it, PLD is going to have an easier time (and therefore be the tank of choice in detriment to all others) due to the relative OPness of Clemency. No spamming necessary either.

Clemency being overpowered doesn't have much to do with people incorrectly spamming it in duties. You can survive much better than other tanks using it sparingly and not spamming it.

And to make it a time-sensitive issue, with tight DPS check, you can't have tuned to survivability as well. You'd have to pick one, you can't have something require 100% uptime and also require you to survive at any cost (sacrificing DPS for your self heals). Ofc this only applies to a solo thing.

Most solo duties aren't tuned to survivability, because most classes can't heal themselves. You basically just do mechanics to avoid damage while still meeting a strict DPS check. A PLD may be able to heal through a few mistakes with Clemency, but it'll cost him.

[ItMe]

Most solo duties aren't tuned to survivability, because most classes can't heal themselves. You basically just do mechanics to avoid damage while still meeting a strict DPS check. A PLD may be able to heal through a few mistakes with Clemency, but it'll cost him.

Honest question: When you say "solo duties" what are you referring to?

[Goji1639]

Honest question: When you say "solo duties" what are you referring to?

Erm, things like job quest duties; MSQ duties; etc. that have fights you take on solo. Solo Savage content would probably be structured similarly; just with more role specific, unforgiving mechanics, and a strict DPS check.