The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[xxvaynxx]

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Yeah thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I meant and I'm not going to waste my time trying to correct you.
I wasn't talking about the mocap actors lol, wtf?
You're so far left field you're out the court.

Also didn't realize goro and barrak were human as well.
Please stop talking about a game you know nothing about, you're just making yourself look silly with your quick google search of MK history.
I'm done debating with you.

[Krotoan]

Yeah thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about or even what I meant.
I wasn't talking about the mocap actors lol, wtf?
Didn't realize goro and barrak were human.
I done debating with you.

Good.. the non-sequiturs are getting jarring. Byeeee!

[TheRealQuah]

Wow, this thread is a wild ride and I really don't want to touch it but there's so much bs being thrown around in here it's unreal.

First, people need to stop throwing around "attractive" like there's some internationally recognised attractiveness scale that everyone follows. It's subjective and differs on a persons preferences. Comments like "developers deliberately make characters ugly to get better review scores" and "fugly with B cups" are incredibly insulting to a vast majority of women, and anyone espousing these sort of views, loses any credence of credibility in my eyes.

Stop making this about my beliefs, you don't even know what belief system I practice.
You sure care about what what I believe in for someone who's "not worth to argue with."

You will never change the nature of the sexes, no matter how much tv tells you that you can.

Ironically, your idea of "the nature of the sexes" is exactly what TV has told you to believe. The idea that men are rugged and women are sexy, (and I'm not saying they can't be), is what your culture and society has taught you to believe. The only reason that there isn't tons of rugged women and sexy men running around isn't because of some biological nature, it's because for thousands of years society has forced people into accepted social gender norms. Thankfully, these are being eroded day by day and views like yours will die out over time.


To the point of the post. The plain fact of the matter is that the gaming community as a whole, and those who play video games, is a male dominated scene. Even more so in Japan, where they are not as progressive as the west. It's no surprise that a Japanese game, made by a Japanese company, with their biggest market being Japan, has so much of an overabundance of "sexy women" characters. I'm not advocating whether this is right or wrong.

The gaming community has a fairly large crossover with the incel community, and they are very vocal. As we have seen in the west, there is huge outcry when a game developer dares to challenge these societal norms. Voice actors getting death threats levels of insanity, just for voicing a character that doesn't conform to their ideals. Many companies are going to see it as bad business to innovate in character design when these are the consequences of it. And to whoever was trying to blame Sony for censorship, try pointing the blame at the likes of PEGI. Companies have to censor to meet the standards of regulators.

[craybest]

Why are most female bosses sexy? Because women by nature are sexy. Men by nature are rough, rugged, and more animalistic/aggressive. That's reflected in the ratio of sexy women compared to the animal/deformed ones. The reverse is true for the male bosses
Easiest question to answer. The nature of the sexes hasn't changed since the creator put humans on this planet about 6 million years ago.

that's just pure BS, both women and men are sexy, it depends who is looking at them. just because you don't find men sexy it doesn't mean theyre not. just that you can't appreciate it, have you not seen the impact of actors like Henry Cavill, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Pratt, Chris Pine (lots of Chris-es!) and many others? people are crazy about them, because they're HOT an SEXY.

about the topic at hand, I'm not against sexy bosses as long as it's fair treatment. sexy women and monster males are very dated archetypes, let's bring some newer things! give us eyecandy, but in a fairer amount. And some people really fail to see how amazing it is to see strong wild bestial female characters too, even now it's a relatively unused archetype.

[Driavna]

And to whoever was trying to blame Sony for censorship, try pointing the blame at the likes of PEGI. Companies have to censor to meet the standards of regulators.

The same game published in EU is only censored with lens flare on PS4, not Nintendo Switch. This "global standard" policy is a thing Sony is enforcing on its platform. Hey! Their platform their rules, right? True, if you enforce that policy equally and TLoU2 is a proof of this not happening.

[Gaido]

Yeah. When I did this post on reddit about alternative events in Kholusia at the end of Shadowbringers (https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._and_using_my/) some people appreciate the fact it's not a sexy skimpily white-armored 6 winged bunny girl with a halo :d

I like sexy girls, but Final Fantasy is for me series of game that exceeds limits of creativity. For me boss fights in this game are amazing, but I will accept with open arms some concepts that I would never guess that can be an amazing boss.

[Eldevern]

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Not totally true. If you learn to draw, you will fast realize that to draw someone who look to be a girl/women or someone who look the be a man will share some specific shape rules based on "biological gender" (as an average).

Head skeleton of a woman and head skeleton of a man can be identified as such. You can know if it is a woman or a man based of the width of the pelvis. So no, it is not cultural or education, a part is purely genetical since humans, as any mammal has genetical inherited reproduction criterias.

[craybest]

Not totally true. If you learn to draw, you will fast realize that to draw someone who look to be a girl/women or someone who look the be a man will share some specific shape rules based on "biological gender" (as an average).

Head skeleton of a woman and head skeleton of a man can be identified as such. You can know if it is a woman or a man based of the width of the pelvis. So no, it is not cultural or education, a part is purely genetical since humans, as any mammal has genetical inherited reproduction criterias.

no one says there isn't any differences to the biological sexes. but none of those differences are "women are sexy are men are not" what is or isnt sexy depends on who looks at it, both personal opinion and society. males and females do have biological differences, both can be sexy in their own way, but for some reason, FFXIV only tends to show sexy females, that's the issue the OP is talking about.

[Theodric]

When it comes to video-games, context is important. A game going for gritty realism, for example, is likely to have a lot of characters that aren't super attractive in it. For a game such as FFXIV, that happily leans on the 'ideal' aesthetics then I'd expect to see plenty of conventionally attractive men and women alike. I do think there's a lot more that could be done in regards to putting forward conventionally attractive male characters in this game. Highlanders, for example, deserve real eyebrows and some better facial options.

Other Final Fantasy games don't struggle with offering tall, muscular and very handsome men to either play as or look at. The classically handsome sort. I'm not sure why FFXIV is the exception to that rule - at least in regards to playable character options. I'd love to play as a character along the lines of Basch from FF12, Jecht from FF10, Gladio from FF15 or Snow from FF13. Yet at present it's impossible. Meanwhile, female characters have all sorts of different routes to be conventionally attractive. They have a tall and conventionally attractive option and short, dainty and elegant conventionally attractive options.

Those of us who want to play a male character that is tall, muscular, classically handsome and actually has real eyebrows are out of luck. Midlander men are a decent enough compromise for the time being, though I do hope the game sees an expansion to character customisation options at some point.

[Lauront]

Agreed. I don't really have an issue with them doing it for the female characters, but some more options and offerings for the males would be nice too.