The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[Eldevern]

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Not totally true. If you learn to draw, you will fast realize that to draw someone who look to be a girl/women or someone who look the be a man will share some specific shape rules based on "biological gender" (as an average).

Head skeleton of a woman and head skeleton of a man can be identified as such. You can know if it is a woman or a man based of the width of the pelvis. So no, it is not cultural or education, a part is purely genetical since humans, as any mammal has genetical inherited reproduction criterias.

[craybest]

Not totally true. If you learn to draw, you will fast realize that to draw someone who look to be a girl/women or someone who look the be a man will share some specific shape rules based on "biological gender" (as an average).

Head skeleton of a woman and head skeleton of a man can be identified as such. You can know if it is a woman or a man based of the width of the pelvis. So no, it is not cultural or education, a part is purely genetical since humans, as any mammal has genetical inherited reproduction criterias.

no one says there isn't any differences to the biological sexes. but none of those differences are "women are sexy are men are not" what is or isnt sexy depends on who looks at it, both personal opinion and society. males and females do have biological differences, both can be sexy in their own way, but for some reason, FFXIV only tends to show sexy females, that's the issue the OP is talking about.

[Eldevern]

no one says there isn't any differences to the biological sexes. but none of those differences are "women are sexy are men are not" what is or isnt sexy depends on who looks at it, both personal opinion and society. males and females do have biological differences, both can be sexy in their own way, but for some reason, FFXIV only tends to show sexy females, that's the issue the OP is talking about.

I get your point but I can't let pass such formulation as "social gender norms". Hormones have real impact on brain. I can't let says it is cultural especially since neo-feminist talk a way that despises feminity as if it was something bad or the result of some machist culture. Women in Sweden are, based on feminist criterias, more free to choose than women in asia. What did researchers discover : women in Sweden tend to choose more "feminine" studies when women in asia will choose rather "masculine" studies. Based on current neo-feminist theories, it should be the opposite.

Now, come back to the OP point. Most gods-like characters are based on mythical sources where males are beast and women are dangerous beauties as a metaphor of the Nature. Is it possible to make more human-male-looking bosses? Of course. But it is not useful to use such words as tawdry or obscene.

[craybest]

I get your point but I can't let pass such formulation as "social gender norms". Hormones have real impact on brain. I can't let says it is cultural especially since neo-feminist talk a way that despises feminity as if it was something bad or the result of some machist culture. Women in Sweden are, based on feminist criterias, more free to choose than women in asia. What did researchers discover : women in Sweden tend to choose more "feminine" studies when women in asia will choose rather "masculine" studies. Based on current neo-feminist theories, it should be the opposite.

Now, come back to the OP point. Most gods-like characters are based on mythical sources where males are beast and women are dangerous beauties as a metaphor of the Nature. Is it possible to make more human-male-looking bosses? Of course. But it is not useful to use such words as tawdry or obscene.

not very true actually, most greek and roman mythology which is considered one of the most well known ones, has LOTS of sexy seminaked males. and none of them are in FFXIV. so it's not a mythology thing. it's the company actively choosing only sexy female inspiration and designs, and not male ones.

[Eldevern]

not very true actually, most greek and roman mythology which is considered one of the most well known ones, has LOTS of sexy seminaked males. and none of them are in FFXIV. so it's not a mythology thing. it's the company actively choosing only sexy female inspiration and designs, and not male ones.

There are far more mythologies than only the greek one... Actually FFXIV refers a lot more to celtic, asian (India included) or Mesopotamian myths. They avoid both Greek/Roman myths and Egyptian myths.

EDIT : They avoid Arthurian legends too.

[Joven]

There are far more mythologies than only the greek one... Actually FFXIV refers a lot more to celtic, asian (India included) or Mesopotamian myths. They avoid both Greek/Roman myths and Egyptian myths.

They did have Scylla in the World of Darkness and she's from the Greek mythology the Odyssey:

[Eldevern]

They did have Scylla in the World of Darkness and she's from the Greek mythology the Odyssey:

There are a few other as Sophia but it is noticable there are a lot more asian references (though Shiva is a tricky one since she not refers to the god but to "shiver").

[Krotoan]

They did have Scylla in the World of Darkness and she's from the Greek mythology the Odyssey:

and.. Cerberus.

[ReiMakoto]

There are far more mythologies than only the greek one... Actually FFXIV refers a lot more to celtic, asian (India included) or Mesopotamian myths. They avoid both Greek/Roman myths and Egyptian myths.

EDIT : They avoid Arthurian legends too.

They don't avoid Arthurian theres literally a Knights of the Round boss

[Eldevern]

They don't avoid Arthurian theres literally a Knights of the Round boss

Well, without Coventina (the Lady of the Lake), Arthur and/or Merlin... Arthurian legends are far more wide then just a round table with twelve folks.

The problem behind Greek legends is they often involve Zeus and one of his illegitimate sons (or this kind of story) XD