The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[TheRealQuah]

Wow, this thread is a wild ride and I really don't want to touch it but there's so much bs being thrown around in here it's unreal.

First, people need to stop throwing around "attractive" like there's some internationally recognised attractiveness scale that everyone follows. It's subjective and differs on a persons preferences. Comments like "developers deliberately make characters ugly to get better review scores" and "fugly with B cups" are incredibly insulting to a vast majority of women, and anyone espousing these sort of views, loses any credence of credibility in my eyes.

Stop making this about my beliefs, you don't even know what belief system I practice.
You sure care about what what I believe in for someone who's "not worth to argue with."

You will never change the nature of the sexes, no matter how much tv tells you that you can.

Ironically, your idea of "the nature of the sexes" is exactly what TV has told you to believe. The idea that men are rugged and women are sexy, (and I'm not saying they can't be), is what your culture and society has taught you to believe. The only reason that there isn't tons of rugged women and sexy men running around isn't because of some biological nature, it's because for thousands of years society has forced people into accepted social gender norms. Thankfully, these are being eroded day by day and views like yours will die out over time.


To the point of the post. The plain fact of the matter is that the gaming community as a whole, and those who play video games, is a male dominated scene. Even more so in Japan, where they are not as progressive as the west. It's no surprise that a Japanese game, made by a Japanese company, with their biggest market being Japan, has so much of an overabundance of "sexy women" characters. I'm not advocating whether this is right or wrong.

The gaming community has a fairly large crossover with the incel community, and they are very vocal. As we have seen in the west, there is huge outcry when a game developer dares to challenge these societal norms. Voice actors getting death threats levels of insanity, just for voicing a character that doesn't conform to their ideals. Many companies are going to see it as bad business to innovate in character design when these are the consequences of it. And to whoever was trying to blame Sony for censorship, try pointing the blame at the likes of PEGI. Companies have to censor to meet the standards of regulators.

[Eldevern]

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Not totally true. If you learn to draw, you will fast realize that to draw someone who look to be a girl/women or someone who look the be a man will share some specific shape rules based on "biological gender" (as an average).

Head skeleton of a woman and head skeleton of a man can be identified as such. You can know if it is a woman or a man based of the width of the pelvis. So no, it is not cultural or education, a part is purely genetical since humans, as any mammal has genetical inherited reproduction criterias.

[craybest]

Not totally true. If you learn to draw, you will fast realize that to draw someone who look to be a girl/women or someone who look the be a man will share some specific shape rules based on "biological gender" (as an average).

Head skeleton of a woman and head skeleton of a man can be identified as such. You can know if it is a woman or a man based of the width of the pelvis. So no, it is not cultural or education, a part is purely genetical since humans, as any mammal has genetical inherited reproduction criterias.

no one says there isn't any differences to the biological sexes. but none of those differences are "women are sexy are men are not" what is or isnt sexy depends on who looks at it, both personal opinion and society. males and females do have biological differences, both can be sexy in their own way, but for some reason, FFXIV only tends to show sexy females, that's the issue the OP is talking about.

[Eldevern]

no one says there isn't any differences to the biological sexes. but none of those differences are "women are sexy are men are not" what is or isnt sexy depends on who looks at it, both personal opinion and society. males and females do have biological differences, both can be sexy in their own way, but for some reason, FFXIV only tends to show sexy females, that's the issue the OP is talking about.

I get your point but I can't let pass such formulation as "social gender norms". Hormones have real impact on brain. I can't let says it is cultural especially since neo-feminist talk a way that despises feminity as if it was something bad or the result of some machist culture. Women in Sweden are, based on feminist criterias, more free to choose than women in asia. What did researchers discover : women in Sweden tend to choose more "feminine" studies when women in asia will choose rather "masculine" studies. Based on current neo-feminist theories, it should be the opposite.

Now, come back to the OP point. Most gods-like characters are based on mythical sources where males are beast and women are dangerous beauties as a metaphor of the Nature. Is it possible to make more human-male-looking bosses? Of course. But it is not useful to use such words as tawdry or obscene.

[craybest]

I get your point but I can't let pass such formulation as "social gender norms". Hormones have real impact on brain. I can't let says it is cultural especially since neo-feminist talk a way that despises feminity as if it was something bad or the result of some machist culture. Women in Sweden are, based on feminist criterias, more free to choose than women in asia. What did researchers discover : women in Sweden tend to choose more "feminine" studies when women in asia will choose rather "masculine" studies. Based on current neo-feminist theories, it should be the opposite.

Now, come back to the OP point. Most gods-like characters are based on mythical sources where males are beast and women are dangerous beauties as a metaphor of the Nature. Is it possible to make more human-male-looking bosses? Of course. But it is not useful to use such words as tawdry or obscene.

not very true actually, most greek and roman mythology which is considered one of the most well known ones, has LOTS of sexy seminaked males. and none of them are in FFXIV. so it's not a mythology thing. it's the company actively choosing only sexy female inspiration and designs, and not male ones.

[Eldevern]

not very true actually, most greek and roman mythology which is considered one of the most well known ones, has LOTS of sexy seminaked males. and none of them are in FFXIV. so it's not a mythology thing. it's the company actively choosing only sexy female inspiration and designs, and not male ones.

There are far more mythologies than only the greek one... Actually FFXIV refers a lot more to celtic, asian (India included) or Mesopotamian myths. They avoid both Greek/Roman myths and Egyptian myths.

EDIT : They avoid Arthurian legends too.

[Joven]

There are far more mythologies than only the greek one... Actually FFXIV refers a lot more to celtic, asian (India included) or Mesopotamian myths. They avoid both Greek/Roman myths and Egyptian myths.

They did have Scylla in the World of Darkness and she's from the Greek mythology the Odyssey:

[ReiMakoto]

There are far more mythologies than only the greek one... Actually FFXIV refers a lot more to celtic, asian (India included) or Mesopotamian myths. They avoid both Greek/Roman myths and Egyptian myths.

EDIT : They avoid Arthurian legends too.

They don't avoid Arthurian theres literally a Knights of the Round boss

[TheRealQuah]

Not totally true. If you learn to draw, you will fast realize that to draw someone who look to be a girl/women or someone who look the be a man will share some specific shape rules based on "biological gender" (as an average).

Head skeleton of a woman and head skeleton of a man can be identified as such. You can know if it is a woman or a man based of the width of the pelvis. So no, it is not cultural or education, a part is purely genetical since humans, as any mammal has genetical inherited reproduction criterias.

There's no such thing as "biological gender". Gender is a social and cultural construct designed to promote masculinity and a patriarchal society. I'm not refuting that there are differences between the biological sexes. Men are rugged and women are sexy is nothing to do with the skeletal make up or reproductive organs.

I get your point but I can't let pass such formulation as "social gender norms". Hormones have real impact on brain. I can't let says it is cultural especially since neo-feminist talk a way that despises feminity as if it was something bad or the result of some machist culture. Women in Sweden are, based on feminist criterias, more free to choose than women in asia. What did researchers discover : women in Sweden tend to choose more "feminine" studies when women in asia will choose rather "masculine" studies. Based on current neo-feminist theories, it should be the opposite.

Again, there is no such thing as "masculine" or "feminine" studies. Just what your culture has indoctrinated you to believe. Women can be bricklayers, men can design dresses for a living.

[Driavna]

There's no such thing as "biological gender". Gender is a social and cultural construct designed to promote masculinity and a patriarchal society. I'm not refuting that there are differences between the biological sexes. Men are rugged and women are sexy is nothing to do with the skeletal make up or reproductive organs.



Again, there is no such thing as "masculine" or "feminine" studies. Just what your culture has indoctrinated you to believe. Women can be bricklayers, men can design dresses for a living.

And tell me, how can you be certain that you are not the one indoctrinated by our current culture?