Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Amnmaat]

the thought of male viera being yet more twinks does amuse me, but in my minds eye all I can see is al-cid margrace with rabbit ears for them

edit: i'd personally be fine with basically anything that isnt actively bara (we've got vanilla and furry already) or the weirdly proportioned dorito/gymrat that is au'ra (it legit screws with their gear appearances, with the shoulders/pauldrons being super oversized and the waists being super cinched for some reason, stuff like the farlander striking set and the crystarium guard gear from story REALLY showcase it)

this gave me pause--arent the majority of male roes we meet either super crass/rapey pirates (limsa), meathead gladiators (uldah), or two-bit lackey villains (garlemald/doma, universal generic Mooks in all factions)?

I find it's generally more of a case of naming the few decent ones (mistbeard--who is arguable, since he is literally one of the bloodiest scariest pirates to ever live even if he's retired and dialed it back of late, WVR trainer, the gorge brothers, rhitatyn, the boulder brothers, gosetsu(??)).

You listed a whole lot of gentlemanly male Roegadyn.
No race is one dimensional; often 2 personality qualities stand out the most, even if it's the qualities are on the extreme ends of each other. Male Roegadyn are very dynamic so there's 3 qualities that stand out; protector, warrior/strongman/mercenary/whatever other synonym, and gentlemanly.

1: A chance is still a chance. Low odds, are still a chance. Low Probability, is still a chance.
Until it IS literally said Outright No New Race is Going to be Added, the Chance is still there. He outright said No to Playable Child Characters, he didnt outright say No to a new race in the later future. They split Hrothgar and Viera because they wanted to do both is the "possibility" this might be the last time they might be able to make a new race. Did you see that word again? "Possibility"
Ill patiently wait for you to prove that claim that he said outright no btw. Im open to being wrong, but right now I think you are just lying and being dishonest to try and desperately sneak in a win for your argument.
2: With that logic, why couldn't they still make a new race? You realize the same amount of work will go into make the opposite gender, as it would to just make a new race right?
Making the Model, customization options, animations, emotes, scaling and adjusting Past & Future Armor, etc. Its the same amount of work.
3: Yeah, "They wanted to do something new. They were going to do Viera back in heavensward, but decided against it in the end" Explain what data he could have used to justify the Au-Ra. That poll says More Clans to existing Races, the Viera, and Mixed Race Cross-species were Popular and high on the chart, so again, going off of the Poll, the Viera was the clear winner. Followed by Interspecies Mixed Races, and Additional Clan Types to pre-existing races. Something like the Au-Ra places 4th on the chart. This "Data and research" says the playerbase Desired something else, but YoshiP and team to decided to go with making the Au-ra, a less popular choice by the poll. So he in fact decided to go for a less desired choice, according to the data.

1. He knows the various departments and the CEOs will say no to a new race. He never gives a hint of trying to find a way to add a new race; the missing genders on the other hand do get a hint that if they can find a away around what's holding them from adding the missing genders they will add them. If they're struggling to add the missing genders, what makes you think they would add a new race like Baanga?

2. Again, you don't understand how organizations work. A brand new race has 0 chance when the data and customers are telling them that they want the missing genders more than they'd ever want a Baanga or Burmecians. These things go through the various departments and CEOS with Data analysis and other considerations. He can't just go in there and say "I know we're missing 2 genders but I want to add Baanga." You'd get laughed at and demoted for even wasting the CEO's time.

3. Reptile/Lizard type race was in the top 3 in poll ran in the japanese forum. Yoshida even points this out in the response to that poll about how western players like mammalian races like Viera as opposed to the japanese who liked Reptialians.

By lore standards, she is also a battle hardened warrior (literally!) and yet~


Male rabbits irl fill the same societal role as male viera in the game (stay outside the nest and protect their colony, only entering to mate), and I'd say they're pretty damn cute. And on top of that they are typically smaller because smaller frames have been naturally selected to help them stay stealthed in their environment. Hmm, sounds familiar... (It's almost like aesthetic design and western human beauty expectations don't dictate how a species fills their niche???!)

Female Au ra are the only exception to the rule, I can't imagine male Viera looking like male Miqo'te (teenage boys) when you put them alongside female Viera (strong warrior women). Male Viera shouldn't be used to fill a quota; that should be left to a brand new race, like Au ra was.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

1. He knows the various departments and the CEOs will say no to a new race. He never gives a hint of trying to find a way to add a new race; the missing genders on the other hand do get a hint that if they can find a away around what's holding them from adding the missing genders they will add them. If they're struggling to add the missing genders, what makes you think they would add a new race like Baanga?

2. Again, you don't understand how organizations work. A brand new race has 0 chance when the data and customers are telling them that they want the missing genders more than they'd ever want a Baanga or Burmecians. These things go through the various departments and CEOS with Data analysis and other considerations. He can't just go in there and say "I know we're missing 2 genders but I want to add Baanga." You'd get laughed at and demoted for even wasting the CEO's time.

3. Reptile/Lizard type race was in the top 3 in poll ran in the japanese forum. Yoshida even points this out in the response to that poll about how western players like mammalian races like Viera as opposed to the japanese who liked Reptialians

1: So you're admitting to be a Liar. This wasn't stated, you put the words in his mouth and spoke on his behalf, saying something he never said. Congrats, I now dont trust a single thing you say. You have no proof of this, because you made it up.
Again, the same amount of work would go into making the missing Genders, as it would making a new race altogether. The Process is still the same. If they Can make the Missing Genders, then there is a Chance, even at 0.0001% that they could make another new race if they wanted to.
They never outright said no...just that these 2 are "Possibly" the last Races they will make. And they did both Viera and Hrothgar, because it "Might" be their last chance.

2: The Marketing Research analytic BS you keep talking about stated that Viera, more clans for existing races, or Hybrid Races were popular ideas. He didnt do them, he did the Au-Ra instead. Which means he and his team can do what they want and have more power then you seem to wanna think they have.
This isn't about adding Bangaa instead of the missing genders. The very clear point is: The same amount of effort goes into making them. So they COULD make a new race the same as Missing genders. This isn't some Corporate speak you love to run back to, this is a simple fact of Development.

3: What poll are you reading? Reptilian beastmen placed #4 for Japan, Reptilian demi-beastmen is #5 for Japan
Top 3 was Mammalian demi-beastmen, or Viera as an example, which placed #2
Looking at the poll more and more, the decision for Au-Ra makes less sense, if going by this Data. If they were truly making something based off this data, then Races of mixed heritage was #1 across the board with all 5 countries listed. So why not Viera? It was listed higher then an idea like Au-ra.
Because YoshiP and team decided it.

[Roda]

Female Au ra are the only exception to the rule, I can't imagine male Viera looking like male Miqo'te (teenage boys) when you put them alongside female Viera (strong warrior women). Male Viera shouldn't be used to fill a quota; that should be left to a brand new race, like Au ra was.

Female Au Ra aren't the only exception

Behold! A seasoned officer of the immortal flames!


An experienced gladiator of the Crystal Braves who is in no way suspicious


Nerdboy Maurader Alka Zolka


"Teenage boy" Revolutionary X'rhun Tia


Evil "Teenage boy" dark monk


And inexplicitly the strongest character in the game???? (but also the biggest dumbass)


Yda


Storm Commander R'ashaht Rhiki, a battle thirsty maurauder that would give Sadu a run for her blood euphoria



And these are just the ones off the top of my head, there's probably way more like the pirate lesbians in limsa

And I too don't think Viera males should look like something in between an elezen and a miqo'te to fill a quota.
I think they should look like that because it makes sense both design wise and lore wise. :]
(the quota filling is just a bonus)