The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

[VirusOnline]

So basically, you say that to represent a woman sexy is to objectify her but to make a man sexy is not to objectify him. To represent a woman as "feminine" is to objectify her or to belittle her but to represent a man muscular or manly (with a uniform for example since it is often appealing to women) is to gratify them.

Double standard and contradictory.

This totally ignore those women who would love to feel free to be sexy or girly but cannot because even in the eyes of some feminist, to be feminine or sexy is to belittle women as gender or to be a lose woman. In other word, women feminists can be even more mysogynist than those men who consider sexy women as lose (when not worst).

It is sad to see that feminist can walk the path of some misogynist men and enforce this patriarchal vision.

Funny thing, as child, I remember some joke about men who do bodybuilding, the line was more or less : the bigger are muscles, smaler is the brain. And men cannot be objectified?

I feel you're twisting my words a bit here.
There is a clear line between sexualization and objectification, there is certainly a progression, but they are not equivalent nor does it always lead to such.
It's certainly possible to objectify both gender, and I said that in my original post make no mistake.

I have no qualms about femininity and never spoke about such. I also never said muscles are gratifying. I never said anything is better.

I never said women aren't allowed to feel sexy or girly. You are putting a lot of words in my mouth here.

EDIT: I am also a male, I'm not sure if you were implying something else. This is purely analytical and I'm sorry if you've misconstrued anything here.

The sentiment is that both genders can be objectified, but it is unfair as another person said, when only one gender is objectified and the other ignored. This act of ignoring can lead to feelings of sexism.

[Hysterior]

you must admit though...





What is the male equivalent in FFXIV?

[Amnmaat]

There is no equivalent because men and women are not the same thing.
Men by nature will be portrayed as rugged and more beastly, while women are portrayed beautifully sexy.

The problem is not that there aren't male bosses, the problem is that you think males and females are supposed to dress and look the same, or be presented the same way.
The nature of the genders will never change, as much as you want to make a cat look like a dog it will still be a cat. Exceptions exceptions, exceptions exist of course in real life and in the game.

You're trying to find something that isn't there.

[RyuSaarva]

The only two problems I've had with female bosses are when Ryne becomes Shiva- her light form is half naked & she's under or around 16, I know japan is known to fetishize under-age characters for various reasons---- and two, when female bosses have better hairstyles than whats available to the playerbase.

16 or younger is the legal age in most places on earth.

[SomeRandomHuman]

There is no equivalent because men and women are not the same thing.
Men by nature will be portrayed as rugged and more beastly, while women are portrayed beautifully sexy.

The problem is not that there aren't male bosses, the problem is that you think males and females are supposed to dress and look the same, or be presented the same way.
The nature of the genders will never change, as much as you want to make a cat look like a dog it will still be a cat. Exceptions exceptions, exceptions exist of course in real life and in the game.

You're trying to find something that isn't there.

So you're saying that men can't be portrayed as beautifully sexy and women can't be portrayed rugged and beastly?

[Tsumdere]

There is no equivalent because men and women are not the same thing.
Men by nature will be portrayed as rugged and more beastly, while women are portrayed beautifully sexy.

The problem is not that there aren't male bosses, the problem is that you think males and females are supposed to dress and look the same, or be presented the same way.
The nature of the genders will never change, as much as you want to make a cat look like a dog it will still be a cat. Exceptions exceptions, exceptions exist of course in real life and in the game.

You're trying to find something that isn't there.

Tell me then, which male bosses are supposed to be sexually appealing to those that like males using your idea of what makes men attractive? ...Byakko? Just Byakko? He's kind weird tho with the tiger arm. Seems like the scales are tipped heavily far in one direction.

16 or younger is the legal age in most places on earth.

Don't.

[Roda]

There is no equivalent because men and women are not the same thing.
Men by nature will be portrayed as rugged and more beastly, while women are portrayed beautifully sexy.

The problem is not that there aren't male bosses, the problem is that you think males and females are supposed to dress and look the same, or be presented the same way.
The nature of the genders will never change, as much as you want to make a cat look like a dog it will still be a cat. Exceptions exceptions, exceptions exist of course in real life and in the game.

You're trying to find something that isn't there.

I don't know how to tell you this, but men and women are of the same species...
Every expectation you have of the genders is mostly inspired by your own cultural pressures.


Also I really don't know what game you think you're playing with this hard black and white gender roles nonsense

[Blackheart]

FFXIV?

First post to keep my interest for more then 30sec in a very long time.

[MirronTulaxia]

Honestly I wouldn’t bother arguing with someone promoting gender essentialism like that. It’s... pretty ridiculously outdated in this day and age by people who study the subjects properly (especially to the extent he’s going), but if someone believes the Earth is flat you can’t argue with them to prove them wrong, this is much the same.

[Amnmaat]

Tell me then, which male bosses are supposed to be sexually appealing to those that like males using your idea of what makes men attractive? ...Byakko? Just Byakko? He's kind weird tho with the tiger arm. Seems like the scales are tipped heavily far in one direction.

This is not solely about being sexually appealing; whatever that means. There are plenty of male bosses that show skin in the game, but because they are rugged, like the male gender was designed to be by nature some of you don't want to accept them. For your second point about "heavily tipped," read below.

So you're saying that men can't be portrayed as beautifully sexy and women can't be portrayed rugged and beastly?

I said "exceptions" 3 times, how did it escape you? The exceptions are also portrayed in the game, at the same ratio as it happens in real life.

I don't know how to tell you this, but men and women are of the same species...
Every expectation you have of the genders is mostly inspired by your own cultural pressures.


Also I really don't know what game you think you're playing with this hard black and white gender roles nonsense

That's just them using new server/engine technology to make the same gear change to the corresponding race and gender combination.
As for the other stuff; I don't know what culture you live in but males and females have a specific nature to them. That nature cannot be changed with just words, it's physiological.