Is it time to remove dots from the game?

[RezPls]

For some jobs I don't really see how a DoT adds much of anything except "here's another button to push because reasons". With how GNB is offensively, I don't see why it needs 1, let alone 2, but it does. Having 1 though isn't a bad thing, but as much I love GNB, DoTs seem more or less tacked on than for reasons unknown. They don't really feel ingrained in the "job fantasy". They are just...there.

it's literally in there by the devs of the jobs to point newer players in the way of a correct rotation.

just saying that there is "no intended rotation" for jobs on the forums does not change that there is one that is factored in with initial implementation for jobs and changes.

[Ultimatecalibur]

For some jobs I don't really see how a DoT adds much of anything except "here's another button to push because reasons". With how GNB is offensively, I don't see why it needs 1, let alone 2, but it does. Having 1 though isn't a bad thing, but as much I love GNB, DoTs seem more or less tacked on than for reasons unknown. They don't really feel ingrained in the "job fantasy". They are just...there.

Bow Shock is mostly fine in my opinion with it being an ogcd. On the other hand, Sonic Break is weird with it being a weaponskill with a 60s cooldown.

it's literally in there by the devs of the jobs to point newer players in the way of a correct rotation.

just saying that there is "no intended rotation" for jobs on the forums does not change that there is one that is factored in with initial implementation for jobs and changes.

In some jobs they are mostly superfluous. Both Gunbreaker's Sonic Break and Blackmage's Thunder III could be dropped from the rotation and how both jobs' play would be relatively unchanged.

[Morningstar1337]

In some jobs they are mostly superfluous. Both Gunbreaker's Sonic Break and Blackmage's Thunder III could be dropped from the rotation and how both jobs' play would be relatively unchanged.

By that logic, so would Aero, Biolysis and Combust

[Mikey_R]

By that logic, so would Aero, Biolysis and Combust

Since the healer DoTs are insta cast, meaning this does give you a window to use oGCDs without having to delay your GCD at all.

If the healer DoTs were removed, I could then see people wanting Glare and Broil to have a shorter cast time like Malefic to allow smoother oGCD usage.

[Ilenya]

If the healer DoTs were removed, I could then see people wanting Glare and Broil to have a shorter cast time like Malefic to allow smoother oGCD usage.

If healer DoTs were removed, I think healers might riot...

[PyurBlue]

Blackmage's Thunder III could be dropped from the rotation and how both jobs' play would be relatively unchanged.

That would cost BLM a movement ability and make Xeno much more rigid as you would have to use it in ice phase to cover MP ticks, while at the moment you can swap T3 and Xeno if things line up correctly or you force an alignment with Sharpcast. Optimizing T3 is a minigame by itself, removing it would make the job a lot simpler.

[Vahlnir]

Bow Shock is mostly fine in my opinion with it being an ogcd. On the other hand, Sonic Break is weird with it being a weaponskill with a 60s cooldown.



In some jobs they are mostly superfluous. Both Gunbreaker's Sonic Break and Blackmage's Thunder III could be dropped from the rotation and how both jobs' play would be relatively unchanged.

Oh yeah, I don't think they are bad for GNB, but it's like you said...they could be taken away and it'd be like nothing changed. They just don't add much of anything to the rotation.

it's literally in there by the devs of the jobs to point newer players in the way of a correct rotation.

just saying that there is "no intended rotation" for jobs on the forums does not change that there is one that is factored in with initial implementation for jobs and changes.

I never said that there was no intended rotation? I also don't see how giving new players DoTs points them in the right direction unless they are directly tied to combos, which some are.

[RezPls]

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You have a 1 minute cd on a buff, you have a 1 minute cd on a dot, you have a 30s cd on a burst "window" and these all can fit in within the duration of said buff + 2 extra resource spenders...

I'd be generally concerned for your cognitive function if you weren't able to piece it together after ~20 levels of playing it.

[Vahlnir]

You have a 1 minute cd on a buff, you have a 1 minute cd on a dot, you have a 30s cd on a burst "window" and these all can fit in within the duration of said buff + 2 extra resource spenders...

I'd be generally concerned for your cognitive function if you weren't able to piece it together after ~20 levels of playing it.

I know how they work, but I appreciate your attempt at giving me a summary. I have no issues piecing them together. I just feel that at least one of them probably isn't needed. That's all. Obviously it's extra dps now so it's needed for that, but the job would function just the same minus one DoT. Probably minus both of them, really. Like I said before, they don't really add to the job's identity. They are just...there for the sake of being there. I don't have a problem with them being there but I still feel that they aren't necessary.