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    Is it time to remove dots from the game?

    With very few exceptions dots in shadowlands are just pointless busywork that lock you out of using your fun abilities. Want to use your cool big hitting ability as SAM? Not until you waste a sen on a dot cause "it's more dps". Dots should either be removed completely or reworked to do less damage, making them only useful for things like boss transitions so they're not part of a classes' core identity and rotation.
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    Can we at least wait until Shadowlands is out before judging all the class and skill changes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrenElessedil View Post
    Can we at least wait until Shadowlands is out before judging all the class and skill changes?
    This has nothing to do with that.

    As for the actual topic, I don't think DoTs should be removed just like I don't think all jobs should have DoTs whenever that topic comes up. Having a variety of jobs that run the gamut from being DoT heavy (BRD, SMN) to non-DoT (RDM) to basic DoTs (NIN, SAM) and even to quasi-DoTs (MCH) is always better.

    I personally prefer jobs that have little to no DoT management, but that doesn't mean there aren't those that do and there should exist jobs for both.
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    My mistake I meant shadowbringers not shadowlands, been reading too much about wow recently haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    . . . that doesn't mean there aren't those that do and there should exist jobs for both.
    Yeah I think they can design different styles of play for different jobs and hopefully players will try the jobs that satisfy their style most. Not all jobs need DoTs but some jobs should have them.

    Like I think having a healer be this more simplified style is probably good for many people, but also clearly a bit boring for others, so they should ideally make sure there is a healer that has many decision trees (not just buttons to mash, even if the tree is a bit simple it can help feel like you have to stay awake to do what you need to do- for those who are looking for that faster / higher demand at least).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    This has nothing to do with that.
    You missed the joke.

    As it stands, speaking as someone who had more DoTs and had them taken away over the years (RIP SCH Thunder), I'd rather not have them be lost completely. Bard, especially, is built around it, so they'd have to change bard AGAIN to get that working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mhaeric View Post
    This has nothing to do with that.

    As for the actual topic, I don't think DoTs should be removed just like I don't think all jobs should have DoTs whenever that topic comes up. Having a variety of jobs that run the gamut from being DoT heavy (BRD, SMN) to non-DoT (RDM) to basic DoTs (NIN, SAM) and even to quasi-DoTs (MCH) is always better.

    I personally prefer jobs that have little to no DoT management, but that doesn't mean there aren't those that do and there should exist jobs for both.
    I have a feeling that you didn't get the joke...
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    Last edited by frostmagemari; 07-20-2020 at 12:19 AM.

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    Why have any skills at all? Just have us mash 1 skill that skill has 1,000 potency every time, is always a direct crit, and the recast time is 0.10 seconds. Peak efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Why have any skills at all? Just have us mash 1 skill that skill has 1,000 potency every time, is always a direct crit, and the recast time is 0.10 seconds. Peak efficiency.
    To be fair, this is almost just what happened to healers. This is how the game is going now.
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    Perfection is an unattainable ideal. 'Tis the paradox of the immaculate carrot. - Cookingway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    Why have any skills at all? Just have us mash 1 skill that skill has 1,000 potency every time, is always a direct crit, and the recast time is 0.10 seconds. Peak efficiency.
    This entire thread should have stopped after this post. Why is this thread so long?
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